I'm more thinking if one gives a starving man porridge, He'll think its beef consume from a Michelin 4 star.
I'm more thinking if one gives a starving man porridge, He'll think its beef consume from a Michelin 4 star.
Not sure what you mean? That I was 'starving' in an Escalade? That thing was gangster, literally. Greatest way to knock down highway miles ever. 22 inch rims with almost racing slicks as standard that seemed to last 10k miles was a PITA.
This is why I like the owl visors. Not cheap but excellent product.
VTX Pro Ceramic window tint on the Safari windows and the two front windows and no problem with heat or glare.
I don't know, I have seen a lot of women here that put it on with a spray gun and a brickies trowel.
Of course - people in the USA and Canada tend to equate money with things like exclusivity, luxury, and quality (in that order). So to most Americans, spending USD 90k on a vehicle must be a "luxury" type vehicle, it must impress at the strip mall. Germans drop the same amount of money on a Mercedes E350 and to them it's what Americans would consider a Ford Taurus. I am not bashing anyone here, but how people value their money or categorize expectations based on consumables group varies widely.
That she also expects illuminated visor mirrors on your 80k John Deere tractor.
No, more that you finally got a taste of owning an actual 4x4, but because you've suffered with that bloated station wagon, it's gonna seem like the best 4x4 ever.
I drive mine everyday as well!
I thought they only went up to 3?
Hmm I have my seat cranked up to max height. When I am driving my head is like above the top of the side window. lol
In Australia some of the highest paid industries is in the mines and tradies get paid extremely well.
It’s an interesting question - far from the original topic, but one that I wonder about - who are the buyers in different markets? The profile you paint, @DaveB, also exists in the US - and they are also spending $100K+ on their trucks, but I don’t think the Grenadier. There is no romantic image of the old Defender. There is no respect (or acceptance) of a BMW engine. The British design and Hambach manufacturing are not valued. They are looking for big, imposing, with high payload and towing capacity and 8 under the hood. Think more along the lines of a GMC 2500/3500 Sierra Heavy Duty or Ford F350 Super Duty. If they off-road, think more along the lines of a Rubicon on 37’s - a rock crawler config - but just as likely they take that big truck and tow out their SxS. I think you (rather politely) point out that the US buyers seem to have the highest expectations from a luxury perspective- we whine a lot about the steering pump noise, SW lags and ADAS alerts, seat comfort, AC / fan noise, etc. Your observation of the different expectations is spot on. But as much as I hate to say it, if the US is the biggest market, if Ineos wants to have long-term prospects, they’ve got to pay attention to those concerns and address them - or they’ll have a lot more people like the OP. Even those GM 2500’s are luxury barges.
Sure, but the electronics that do exist could have been implemented far better. IMO its far less a case of 'computers == bad' and more like 'Ineos and their subcontractors did a poor job implementing the cars electronics overall'. It's frustrating to me because the electronics in the Grenadier are relatively rudimentary implementations of solved problems. It's not like Ineos is pushing the automotive frontier with them like LR does with it's electronic terrain response system, Porsche with its performance tuning, Tesla with autonomous driving, etc.
I agree. The electronics and lack of customer serviceability are my two main gripes.
Maybe Scheel-Mann makes an aftermarket seat with that option??? In all seriousness, I think many of us recognize the OP had a lot of legitimate issues/concerns, and I really appreciate the deliberate way they framed it all out. It seems the difference between buyers who stay and those who go is less about the issues, themselves, and a little more about how the reality matches up with expectations. Certain expectations (eg service manual, etc) are universal, and all of us are critical about that. Other expectations (eg steering noise level), it depends who you ask. Most of us are incurable romantics and contrarians - and a little nuts. For some of us, what the Grenadier delivers itches that scratch - for others, it’s not enough.
That was just my most recent vehicle and the reason why I wanted to go with something like the Grenadier. But I’ve also had 1990s Jeep Cherokee’s and Isuzu troopers, a couple of grand Cherokee’s from 25 years ago, two Jeep wranglers, and a Toyota four Runner. Also, Escalade‘s and Tahoe’s are not bloated up wagons, they are actually tarted up pick up trucks. I’m far from an expert on 4 x 4‘s, but I definitely have some good points of reference.
You stated this perfectly! Their solutions were rudimentary at best. Enough to get the job done, but not in a good way. LOL. And the false promises of updates, etc. is maddening itself.
I think I can distill you comment down to that the IG, is at its core, an Overlanding vehicle, and we don't have a history here in the US with vehicles for that, in this form. Pickups with Campers in the bed, small pop-up trailers, small truck based RVs, and now sprinter and other vans. Sure there are 4x4s with rooftop tents, but our 4x4s mostly either rock-crawling/mud-running focused or mall crawlers. I do think that there is an upsurge in overlanding here, and the IG may be in the perfect spot to capitalize on it.
Better yet, ala "The Fifth Element"
