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Even the fuel consumption is subject to inflation.
 

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An unfunny joke, sorry for that. ;)
 

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A customer rep from IG told me yesterday that delivery would take place by the end of the month following indicated production month.
Thank you White Rabbit - that turnaround would put mine end Jan 23 dely, so 60 day prior dely contract signing would be mid-end Nov. Lets see.
 

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Just to add some more background: my delivery is for Germany. A delivery to Australia or South Africa might actually take longer due to the distances from the factory in France.
 

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There's someone called Justin, on the Oz FB group who's also got a call. So, unless you are one and the same, then there's at least two of you!

More importantly, it may be the breaking of the logjam/hiatus...
I‘m not Justin. But let‘s wait and see whether the customer rep has had correct information. Once the contract arrives I‘m happy to inform you guys here.
 

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It gets in via the front vents , and every time you draw more in - fan/aircon - it has to get out , otherwise the cabin pressure rises.
The door seals are THAT good!

I thought it it was deemed a good thing to run a higher internal pressure as it helps to keep dust out?
 

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I thought it it was deemed a good thing to run a higher internal pressure as it helps to keep dust out?
You can't draw more air in if it can't get out, so if you are running your aircon using fresh air it needs an exit. Typically you would add an overpressure fan in a caravan or a canopy to keep the dust out as you have suggested but not in a passenger compartment. You need great door seals and aircon on recirc.
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Text me when a production version is on the road. Even better, when you guys can get a few in a parking lot somewhere.
 

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How are you certain many (how many???) would be shocked and cancel their order?
I think the majority of the Ineos order placers have bought into the project and accept their will be some hickups and delays along the way. But that is just what I think, not what I am certain of.

Don't get me wrong... Ineos are nothing short of heroic for taking this on, and I hope they succeed.

But the world is changing rapidly, especially the collective sentiment (and legislation) around fossil-fuel cars, and I can't be the only one feeling hesitant. I've had my current car (Def 110) for over 10 years, but surely these initial IG's will become obsolete in less time, and alternatives might be only 2-3 yrs away?

For these reasons, each delivery delay seems increasingly meaningful.
 

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Don't get me wrong... Ineos are nothing short of heroic for taking this on, and I hope they succeed.

But the world is changing rapidly, especially the collective sentiment (and legislation) around fossil-fuel cars, and I can't be the only one feeling hesitant. I've had my current car (Def 110) for over 10 years, but surely these initial IG's will become obsolete in less time, and alternatives might be only 2-3 yrs away?

For these reasons, each delivery delay seems increasingly meaningful.
Some countries and even cities within countries are going to be very difficult to live with with internal combustion vehicles. One of the many reasons I have chosen diesel is that in Australia we will have diesel engine vehicles such as trucks, earth moving equipment and trains long after petrol engines are gone. Also long after I am dead. In Australia they are talking no new vehicle sales by 2030 but I think 2035 or 2040 might be more realistic. We have 250,000 gray nomads driving around the country towing caravans at any given time and none of them will be driving an electric vehicle.
 

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Some countries and even cities within countries are going to be very difficult to live with with internal combustion vehicles. One of the many reasons I have chosen diesel is that in Australia we will have diesel engine vehicles such as trucks, earth moving equipment and trains long after petrol engines are gone. Also long after I am dead. In Australia they are talking no new vehicle sales by 2030 but I think 2035 or 2040 might be more realistic. We have 250,000 gray nomads driving around the country towing caravans at any given time and none of them will be driving an electric vehicle.
100% Agree.
 

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We have 250,000 gray nomads driving around the country towing caravans at any given time and none of them will be driving an electric vehicle.

That's because they might not be driving at all. Not everyone's way of life can/ will be easily catered for.
 

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That's because they might not be driving at all. Not everyone's way of life can/ will be easily catered for.
You just couldn't replace those vehicles with electric vehicles. Even if not towing it is easy to find yourself 600kms to the next town which is outside the range of most/all electric vehicles. Towing you would be lucky to get 200kms. Off road the range plummets and then add cold or hot environments and you won't get very far at all.
 

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You just couldn't replace those vehicles with electric vehicles. Even if not towing it is easy to find yourself 600kms to the next town which is outside the range of most/all electric vehicles. Towing you would be lucky to get 200kms. Off road the range plummets and then add cold or hot environments and you won't get very far at all.

I agree.

What's your conclusion? Mine is that some people's way of life will no longer be viable.
 
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