Robert Pepper review coming

Really respect Robert Pepper. Very much interested in what he has to say.

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[Wilaspira]

New Pepper videos featuring Grenadier coming

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[AnD3rew]

New Pepper videos featuring Grenadier coming

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Yes 2, one is his promised Grenadier touring video and the other is a 4 way offroad comparison looks like Grenadier, New Defender , LC300 and Nissan Patrol. Very interesting indeed, may well be the first ever real world comparo review, certainly the first I have seen.

 

[grenadierboy]

Yes 2, one is his promised Grenadier touring video and the other is a 4 way offroad comparison looks like Grenadier, New Discovery, LC300 and Nissan Patrol. Very interesting indeed, may well be the first ever real world comparo review, certainly the first I have seen.

New Discovery or New Defender?

 

[ADVAW8S]

New Discovery or New Defender?

New defender

 

[AnD3rew]

New Discovery or New Defender?

Sorry Defender

 

[grenadierboy]

Sorry Defender

haha - I thought I missed a new product launch!

 

[Wilaspira]

Have they been released to Patreon yet?

 

[AnD3rew]

The Robert Pepper Grenadier touring review is out for his Patreons. Once again a straightforward honest review from him. None of the negatives he points out will come as a surprise to this group. Overall he thinks probably the best touring packages you can buy out of the box, but he points out that for the price you can do a lot of touring mods to a lot if very capable vehicles and that you can really only justify the price because you like it. (can’t argue with that) overall he liked it. The footrest is a deal breaker for him but he is at pains to point out that its an individual thing and you have to find out for yourself.

 

[DaveB]

 

[MrMike]

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Yes, it will be available for viewing tomorrow

 

[ADVAW8S]

Guess what popped up on my feed about 50 mins ago. The comparison from Robert pepper.

View: https://youtu.be/sz5BgEnU4cM?si=M16Cr54K-x-wDL5G

 

[AnD3rew]

Guess what popped up on my feed about 50 mons ago. The comparison from Robert pepper.

View: https://youtu.be/sz5BgEnU4cM?si=M16Cr54K-x-wDL5G

Saw it a couple of days ago as I am a Patreon subscriber for his content. Pretty fair. Seems that Grenadier does pretty well on clearance and flex but the traction control isn’t as good as the others, well behind LC and Defender maybe just behind the Patrol.

 

[Shopkeep]

Saw it a couple of days ago as I am a Patreon subscriber for his content. Pretty fair. Seems that Grenadier does pretty well on clearance and flex but the traction control isn’t as good as the others, well behind LC and Defender maybe just behind the Patrol.

Interesting video from Mr Pepper. If you were approaching that kind of terrain you would have the lockers engaged every time so are not relying on the traction control, very happy with the way the Grenadier handled the situation.

 

[Bruce]

Interesting video from Mr Pepper. If you were approaching that kind of terrain you would have the lockers engaged every time so are not relying on the traction control, very happy with the way the Grenadier handled the situation.

Exactly. Very happy to have chosen the trialmaster given his thoughts on brake traction control.

 

[Greg]

If brake traction control becomes an issue, surely it would just be a software tweak??

 

[bigleonski]

Marcel didn't do the Grenadier any favours by doing the test at half the speed of the others (which by the way was what was asked of them all). The Patrol pretty much had to flog it up rather than go slow and steady. I believe that if the IG had taken the same speed with a bit more momentum early (he really did just amble up to start) it would have done much better. That said, it probably does have one of the worst traction controls. The others have had a long time to get it right.
This would have been a better comparison test with the one uninvested driver.
The one thing not mentioned - how do they go if the electrickery fails? The KISS (keep it simple stupid) principal then comes into play.
I was surprised that the Patrol was probably the least effective of the four. Take away the suspension lift and larger tyres and see how it would go.

 

[bigleonski]

If brake traction control becomes an issue, surely it would just be a software tweak??

Yes and no. If it was as easy as that everyone would have as good as the Toyota does, and clearly most don't.

 

[DDG]

Just compare the development budgets for the Grenadier to the new Defender. JLR (over the course of a few models) has spent more on their Terrain Response 2 than Ineos did for the entire product development. In the end it’s electronic trickery instead of mechanical robustness. Hard trade to justify if you’re planning to be off the beaten path

 

[Bruce]

Just compare the development budgets for the Grenadier to the new Defender. JLR (over the course of a few models) has spent more on their Terrain Response 2 than Ineos did for the entire product development. In the end it’s electronic trickery instead of mechanical robustness. Hard trade to justify if you’re planning to be off the beaten path

Same with the air suspension. Convenient and great for MPG but if something breaks in the middle of nowhere it's a harder challenge.

 

[James]

Yeah, I really respect Robert, but it’s disappointing to evaluate the grenadier’s traction control against jlr/toyota, when the very idea of this car is not to use those electronic tools, but to rely on simpler mechanicals, skills, and diff locks where fitted.
and using a single driver is likely a better indicator too… bit of a shame.
Someone like Robert can be expected to see the sub-set of users the grenadier is aimed at, its driver, less/no aids, and intended robustness, and evaluate it accordingly. He does often refer to robustness, noting only time will tell, but it does feel like his style is ending up with at best ’faint praise’, and sometimes adopting a negative tone for a car that you’d expect he’d be grateful for, at least as part of the landscape.