Poll - How is your new Grenadier really?

[[ Adam ]]

I'm coming up on 6000 miles, and I've been trying to keep track of things in a spreadsheet. If I had to summarize the grenadier:

She's heavy, she eats and talks too much, but I love her.

The HVAC fan seems to be quieting down, and while RDS has a windshield to install for me, they are not really confident in the camera calibration software at this time. Waiting on that. When that is ready, they'll also be installing a new shift lever to hopefully resolve the difficult shifting as well as the loose high/low pin issue I ran into. I had a chance to do some light green laning, which did require a few shifts into CDL & a water crossing that I engaged wading mode for. No issues, other than it took a while for the rear locker to disengage. My concern with the rear locker not disengaging in a timely manner is that even if you take the car out of off-road mode, it appears that ABS is disabled while the rear is locked.

The tell tale display has not failed again, but I continue to monitor that situation.

I've got my second oil change scheduled for next week & fuel economy seems to be settling in right around 14 MPG.

12/28/2023	25	M	HVAC Fan noise on 4 (high)
12/27/2023	450	M	High / Low Shifter Pin came out
12/28/2023	650	M	Windshield crack
1/16/2024	4600	M	HVAC Blend - cold air on face when using heat
1/17/2024	4600	M	Tell Tale Display not working - resolved with restart of car
1/18/2024	4650	M	Coolant hoses generally loose in the engine bay
1/24/2024	5000	M	Tell Tale Display not working - resolved with restart of car
1/30/2024	5300	M	Interior panels around gear selector showing wear / scuff in piano black and painted plastics
1/30/2024	5300	M	Very difficult shifting transfer case into L. Tell tale display indicates L, but gears grinding when put into drive. Nearly impossible to get into L w/out first locking CDL. Later resolved as vehicle warmed up.
2/8/2024	5750	M	Recurring CEL after fill up
2/3/2024	5500	M	CEL - Cylinder 6 misfire. Cleared.
2/8/2024	5750	M	Buzz / Rattle in drivers door under acceleration

Looking back, these are some of my "complaints"

Service network - Where is it?
On the website it says "For extra peace of mind, we’ve selected experienced roadside assistance partners to work closely with us to ensure you have the help you need." What is this? It implies some sort of roadside assistance.

there is little to no accessible storage for the driver and passenger.
Overhead grenadier logo is wasted space - should be storage.

buttons feel cheap, especially rotary buttons (vol, heat, blend)
Ignition key light - difficult to get key into lock in the dark

Heated steering wheel - a total miss, especially in North America / Northern Europe
Toot is not only not useful, may be considered impolite in the US

We need an option to disable audible alerts for things like the low fuel warning - 1/8 of a tank is a lot.
We need an OEM shade for safari roof
Increase cup holder size with a retro-fit kit for MY24
Larger side mirrors (upgrade/retro for towing?)
Don't use any painted or high shine plastics - these scuff easily.
HVAC - cold blast when changing mode in heat - poor QC
Vehicle over communicates - and obscures other information
I'd like to be able to engage off-road mode without coming to a complete stop
I'd like for the diff lock indicators to be more responsive, especially when turning them off
I wish there was a true Neutral indicator on the Diff Lock - High / Low shifter, with an indicator in the tell-tale
There is no Power window lock - this could at least be a menu option
There is no central or passenger actuated door unlock - the only way to unlock doors is for the driver to unlock them
Key lock only on drivers door

Like everyone else, I'm looking forward to having a tow hitch (I had to use my Discovery over the weekend to tow a garden trailer) and a persistent disabling of the over speed warning. I anticipate in the coming months and years they will reduce the chattiness and number of warnings, beeps, bongs, etc.

 

[Jiman01]

Adam, when you say - “the only way to unlock doors is for the driver to unlock them”…does that mean a passenger cannot unlock their own door, or that the passenger locks do not have the ability to lock/unlock all doors?

If it’s the former, that is glaring safety issue, which makes me think you’re talking about the later.

 

[[ Adam ]]

There is only a single unlock button and it is on the driver's door.

Further, there is no mechanical unlock on any door.

Edit: the door handle unlocks the door. I never sat over there before

 

[bradb622]

I'm coming up on 6000 miles, and I've been trying to keep track of things in a spreadsheet. If I had to summarize the grenadier:

She's heavy, she eats and talks too much, but I love her.

The HVAC fan seems to be quieting down, and while RDS has a windshield to install for me, they are not really confident in the camera calibration software at this time. Waiting on that. When that is ready, they'll also be installing a new shift lever to hopefully resolve the difficult shifting as well as the loose high/low pin issue I ran into. I had a chance to do some light green laning, which did require a few shifts into CDL & a water crossing that I engaged wading mode for. No issues, other than it took a while for the rear locker to disengage. My concern with the rear locker not disengaging in a timely manner is that even if you take the car out of off-road mode, it appears that ABS is disabled while the rear is locked.

The tell tale display has not failed again, but I continue to monitor that situation.

I've got my second oil change scheduled for next week & fuel economy seems to be settling in right around 14 MPG.

12/28/2023	25	M	HVAC Fan noise on 4 (high)
12/27/2023	450	M	High / Low Shifter Pin came out
12/28/2023	650	M	Windshield crack
1/16/2024	4600	M	HVAC Blend - cold air on face when using heat
1/17/2024	4600	M	Tell Tale Display not working - resolved with restart of car
1/18/2024	4650	M	Coolant hoses generally loose in the engine bay
1/24/2024	5000	M	Tell Tale Display not working - resolved with restart of car
1/30/2024	5300	M	Interior panels around gear selector showing wear / scuff in piano black and painted plastics
1/30/2024	5300	M	Very difficult shifting transfer case into L. Tell tale display indicates L, but gears grinding when put into drive. Nearly impossible to get into L w/out first locking CDL. Later resolved as vehicle warmed up.
2/8/2024	5750	M	Recurring CEL after fill up
2/3/2024	5500	M	CEL - Cylinder 6 misfire. Cleared.
2/8/2024	5750	M	Buzz / Rattle in drivers door under acceleration

Looking back, these are some of my "complaints"

Service network - Where is it?
On the website it says "For extra peace of mind, we’ve selected experienced roadside assistance partners to work closely with us to ensure you have the help you need." What is this? It implies some sort of roadside assistance.

there is little to no accessible storage for the driver and passenger.
Overhead grenadier logo is wasted space - should be storage.

buttons feel cheap, especially rotary buttons (vol, heat, blend)
Ignition key light - difficult to get key into lock in the dark

Heated steering wheel - a total miss, especially in North America / Northern Europe
Toot is not only not useful, may be considered impolite in the US

We need an option to disable audible alerts for things like the low fuel warning - 1/8 of a tank is a lot.
We need an OEM shade for safari roof
Increase cup holder size with a retro-fit kit for MY24
Larger side mirrors (upgrade/retro for towing?)
Don't use any painted or high shine plastics - these scuff easily.
HVAC - cold blast when changing mode in heat - poor QC
Vehicle over communicates - and obscures other information
I'd like to be able to engage off-road mode without coming to a complete stop
I'd like for the diff lock indicators to be more responsive, especially when turning them off
I wish there was a true Neutral indicator on the Diff Lock - High / Low shifter, with an indicator in the tell-tale
There is no Power window lock - this could at least be a menu option
There is no central or passenger actuated door unlock - the only way to unlock doors is for the driver to unlock them
Key lock only on drivers door

Like everyone else, I'm looking forward to having a tow hitch (I had to use my Discovery over the weekend to tow a garden trailer) and a persistent disabling of the over speed warning. I anticipate in the coming months and years they will reduce the chattiness and number of warnings, beeps, bongs, etc.

Thank you so much for this post. Did you find a solution for the HVAC Fan noise at 4? I’m having the same issue. My dealer said he’d never heard that sound and flushed the syst. It went away for about an hour and is now back.
Thanks again.

 

[[ Adam ]]

Thank you so much for this post. Did you find a solution for the HVAC Fan noise at 4? I’m having the same issue. My dealer said he’d never heard that sound and flushed the syst. It went away for about an hour and is now back.
Thanks again.

I've run the fan a lot and it seems to be quieting down. The annoying buzz seems to have gone away. Or, in my old age, I can no longer hear that range.

 

[Jiman01]

There is only a single unlock button and it is on the driver's door.

Further, there is no mechanical unlock on any door.

Wow, that’s crazy. I‘m pretty sure there are regulations that require the ability to lock/unlock each door independently for safety purposes.

If there was an accident and the driver is incapacitated, everyone else is trapped or has to break a window to exit?

I think this is going to be a major problem for IG at some point in the future.

 

[terdrocket]

I'm coming up on 6000 miles, and I've been trying to keep track of things in a spreadsheet. If I had to summarize the grenadier:

She's heavy, she eats and talks too much, but I love her.

The HVAC fan seems to be quieting down, and while RDS has a windshield to install for me, they are not really confident in the camera calibration software at this time. Waiting on that. When that is ready, they'll also be installing a new shift lever to hopefully resolve the difficult shifting as well as the loose high/low pin issue I ran into. I had a chance to do some light green laning, which did require a few shifts into CDL & a water crossing that I engaged wading mode for. No issues, other than it took a while for the rear locker to disengage. My concern with the rear locker not disengaging in a timely manner is that even if you take the car out of off-road mode, it appears that ABS is disabled while the rear is locked.

The tell tale display has not failed again, but I continue to monitor that situation.

I've got my second oil change scheduled for next week & fuel economy seems to be settling in right around 14 MPG.

12/28/2023	25	M	HVAC Fan noise on 4 (high)
12/27/2023	450	M	High / Low Shifter Pin came out
12/28/2023	650	M	Windshield crack
1/16/2024	4600	M	HVAC Blend - cold air on face when using heat
1/17/2024	4600	M	Tell Tale Display not working - resolved with restart of car
1/18/2024	4650	M	Coolant hoses generally loose in the engine bay
1/24/2024	5000	M	Tell Tale Display not working - resolved with restart of car
1/30/2024	5300	M	Interior panels around gear selector showing wear / scuff in piano black and painted plastics
1/30/2024	5300	M	Very difficult shifting transfer case into L. Tell tale display indicates L, but gears grinding when put into drive. Nearly impossible to get into L w/out first locking CDL. Later resolved as vehicle warmed up.
2/8/2024	5750	M	Recurring CEL after fill up
2/3/2024	5500	M	CEL - Cylinder 6 misfire. Cleared.
2/8/2024	5750	M	Buzz / Rattle in drivers door under acceleration

Looking back, these are some of my "complaints"

Service network - Where is it?
On the website it says "For extra peace of mind, we’ve selected experienced roadside assistance partners to work closely with us to ensure you have the help you need." What is this? It implies some sort of roadside assistance.

there is little to no accessible storage for the driver and passenger.
Overhead grenadier logo is wasted space - should be storage.

buttons feel cheap, especially rotary buttons (vol, heat, blend)
Ignition key light - difficult to get key into lock in the dark

Heated steering wheel - a total miss, especially in North America / Northern Europe
Toot is not only not useful, may be considered impolite in the US

We need an option to disable audible alerts for things like the low fuel warning - 1/8 of a tank is a lot.
We need an OEM shade for safari roof
Increase cup holder size with a retro-fit kit for MY24
Larger side mirrors (upgrade/retro for towing?)
Don't use any painted or high shine plastics - these scuff easily.
HVAC - cold blast when changing mode in heat - poor QC
Vehicle over communicates - and obscures other information
I'd like to be able to engage off-road mode without coming to a complete stop
I'd like for the diff lock indicators to be more responsive, especially when turning them off
I wish there was a true Neutral indicator on the Diff Lock - High / Low shifter, with an indicator in the tell-tale
There is no Power window lock - this could at least be a menu option
There is no central or passenger actuated door unlock - the only way to unlock doors is for the driver to unlock them
Key lock only on drivers door

Like everyone else, I'm looking forward to having a tow hitch (I had to use my Discovery over the weekend to tow a garden trailer) and a persistent disabling of the over speed warning. I anticipate in the coming months and years they will reduce the chattiness and number of warnings, beeps, bongs, etc.

Yes, the super loud "GET TO THE GAS STATION STAT!!!" type bong sound, that slaps you as soon as you get in, is quite startling, especially when you have something like 50 miles range left.

The lack of easy to find trip computer is annoying. It is hidden in a sub menu and it can't be shown on the main info screen.
I don't need to know the time and distance that I drove since last start or in the last so many hours or whatever. (I have no idea how it computes this info)

I still love this thing, though.

 

[[ Adam ]]

Wow, that’s crazy. I‘m pretty sure there are regulations that require the ability to lock/unlock each door independently for safety purposes.

If there was an accident and the driver is incapacitated, everyone else is trapped or has to break a window to exit?

I think this is going to be a major problem for IG at some point in the future.

I agree. I don't understand how ingress or egress would work in the case of an incapacitated driver.

I'm not sure whether the passenger door handle unlocks the passenger door - I'll validate this later today, on the train to DC at the moment.

update : the door unlocks and opens with a pull of the handle. Even for the second row passengers. Even if the alarm is set. Then the alarm goes off.

This increases the number of "hey what kind of car is that" questions you get in the grocery store parking lot.

 

[stickshifter]

I'm coming up on 6000 miles, and I've been trying to keep track of things in a spreadsheet. If I had to summarize the grenadier:

She's heavy, she eats and talks too much, but I love her.

The HVAC fan seems to be quieting down, and while RDS has a windshield to install for me, they are not really confident in the camera calibration software at this time. Waiting on that. When that is ready, they'll also be installing a new shift lever to hopefully resolve the difficult shifting as well as the loose high/low pin issue I ran into. I had a chance to do some light green laning, which did require a few shifts into CDL & a water crossing that I engaged wading mode for. No issues, other than it took a while for the rear locker to disengage. My concern with the rear locker not disengaging in a timely manner is that even if you take the car out of off-road mode, it appears that ABS is disabled while the rear is locked.

The tell tale display has not failed again, but I continue to monitor that situation.

I've got my second oil change scheduled for next week & fuel economy seems to be settling in right around 14 MPG.

12/28/2023	25	M	HVAC Fan noise on 4 (high)
12/27/2023	450	M	High / Low Shifter Pin came out
12/28/2023	650	M	Windshield crack
1/16/2024	4600	M	HVAC Blend - cold air on face when using heat
1/17/2024	4600	M	Tell Tale Display not working - resolved with restart of car
1/18/2024	4650	M	Coolant hoses generally loose in the engine bay
1/24/2024	5000	M	Tell Tale Display not working - resolved with restart of car
1/30/2024	5300	M	Interior panels around gear selector showing wear / scuff in piano black and painted plastics
1/30/2024	5300	M	Very difficult shifting transfer case into L. Tell tale display indicates L, but gears grinding when put into drive. Nearly impossible to get into L w/out first locking CDL. Later resolved as vehicle warmed up.
2/8/2024	5750	M	Recurring CEL after fill up
2/3/2024	5500	M	CEL - Cylinder 6 misfire. Cleared.
2/8/2024	5750	M	Buzz / Rattle in drivers door under acceleration

Looking back, these are some of my "complaints"

Service network - Where is it?
On the website it says "For extra peace of mind, we’ve selected experienced roadside assistance partners to work closely with us to ensure you have the help you need." What is this? It implies some sort of roadside assistance.

there is little to no accessible storage for the driver and passenger.
Overhead grenadier logo is wasted space - should be storage.

buttons feel cheap, especially rotary buttons (vol, heat, blend)
Ignition key light - difficult to get key into lock in the dark

Heated steering wheel - a total miss, especially in North America / Northern Europe
Toot is not only not useful, may be considered impolite in the US

We need an option to disable audible alerts for things like the low fuel warning - 1/8 of a tank is a lot.
We need an OEM shade for safari roof
Increase cup holder size with a retro-fit kit for MY24
Larger side mirrors (upgrade/retro for towing?)
Don't use any painted or high shine plastics - these scuff easily.
HVAC - cold blast when changing mode in heat - poor QC
Vehicle over communicates - and obscures other information
I'd like to be able to engage off-road mode without coming to a complete stop
I'd like for the diff lock indicators to be more responsive, especially when turning them off
I wish there was a true Neutral indicator on the Diff Lock - High / Low shifter, with an indicator in the tell-tale
There is no Power window lock - this could at least be a menu option
There is no central or passenger actuated door unlock - the only way to unlock doors is for the driver to unlock them
Key lock only on drivers door

Like everyone else, I'm looking forward to having a tow hitch (I had to use my Discovery over the weekend to tow a garden trailer) and a persistent disabling of the over speed warning. I anticipate in the coming months and years they will reduce the chattiness and number of warnings, beeps, bongs, etc.

Thanks for this post Adam. I noticed a bunch of these issues on test drives, but its good to hear an owner's experience. Glad to hear you still love the vehicle.

 

[Jiman01]

Yeah, at a minimum the door handle should do that. It appears from some other pictures and previous threads that I wasn’t aware of that, there’s a blank plate on the passenger door. Hopefully there will be a way to retrofit a switch in that spot later.

I don’t know about everyone else but there are times when my wife or daughter will stay in the car while I run into the store. They should have the ability to control their doors.

 

[bradb622]

I've run the fan a lot and it seems to be quieting down. The annoying buzz seems to have gone away. Or, in my old age, I can no longer hear that range.

Ha. That’s great. I’ll hope the buzz on mine dies down too.
… and I have to agree, even with random quirks, I love this vehicle and smile every time I drive it.

 

[nuclearbeef]

I'm pretty sure the first pull of the interior door handle unlocks the door and the second pull opens it?

 

[Tarheel]

I'm coming up on 6000 miles, and I've been trying to keep track of things in a spreadsheet. If I had to summarize the grenadier:

She's heavy, she eats and talks too much, but I love her.

The HVAC fan seems to be quieting down, and while RDS has a windshield to install for me, they are not really confident in the camera calibration software at this time. Waiting on that. When that is ready, they'll also be installing a new shift lever to hopefully resolve the difficult shifting as well as the loose high/low pin issue I ran into. I had a chance to do some light green laning, which did require a few shifts into CDL & a water crossing that I engaged wading mode for. No issues, other than it took a while for the rear locker to disengage. My concern with the rear locker not disengaging in a timely manner is that even if you take the car out of off-road mode, it appears that ABS is disabled while the rear is locked.

The tell tale display has not failed again, but I continue to monitor that situation.

I've got my second oil change scheduled for next week & fuel economy seems to be settling in right around 14 MPG.

12/28/2023	25	M	HVAC Fan noise on 4 (high)
12/27/2023	450	M	High / Low Shifter Pin came out
12/28/2023	650	M	Windshield crack
1/16/2024	4600	M	HVAC Blend - cold air on face when using heat
1/17/2024	4600	M	Tell Tale Display not working - resolved with restart of car
1/18/2024	4650	M	Coolant hoses generally loose in the engine bay
1/24/2024	5000	M	Tell Tale Display not working - resolved with restart of car
1/30/2024	5300	M	Interior panels around gear selector showing wear / scuff in piano black and painted plastics
1/30/2024	5300	M	Very difficult shifting transfer case into L. Tell tale display indicates L, but gears grinding when put into drive. Nearly impossible to get into L w/out first locking CDL. Later resolved as vehicle warmed up.
2/8/2024	5750	M	Recurring CEL after fill up
2/3/2024	5500	M	CEL - Cylinder 6 misfire. Cleared.
2/8/2024	5750	M	Buzz / Rattle in drivers door under acceleration

Looking back, these are some of my "complaints"

Service network - Where is it?
On the website it says "For extra peace of mind, we’ve selected experienced roadside assistance partners to work closely with us to ensure you have the help you need." What is this? It implies some sort of roadside assistance.

there is little to no accessible storage for the driver and passenger.
Overhead grenadier logo is wasted space - should be storage.

buttons feel cheap, especially rotary buttons (vol, heat, blend)
Ignition key light - difficult to get key into lock in the dark

Heated steering wheel - a total miss, especially in North America / Northern Europe
Toot is not only not useful, may be considered impolite in the US

We need an option to disable audible alerts for things like the low fuel warning - 1/8 of a tank is a lot.
We need an OEM shade for safari roof
Increase cup holder size with a retro-fit kit for MY24
Larger side mirrors (upgrade/retro for towing?)
Don't use any painted or high shine plastics - these scuff easily.
HVAC - cold blast when changing mode in heat - poor QC
Vehicle over communicates - and obscures other information
I'd like to be able to engage off-road mode without coming to a complete stop
I'd like for the diff lock indicators to be more responsive, especially when turning them off
I wish there was a true Neutral indicator on the Diff Lock - High / Low shifter, with an indicator in the tell-tale
There is no Power window lock - this could at least be a menu option
There is no central or passenger actuated door unlock - the only way to unlock doors is for the driver to unlock them
Key lock only on drivers door

Like everyone else, I'm looking forward to having a tow hitch (I had to use my Discovery over the weekend to tow a garden trailer) and a persistent disabling of the over speed warning. I anticipate in the coming months and years they will reduce the chattiness and number of warnings, beeps, bongs, etc.

Were they able to fix the HVAC Blend issue? If so, what was the fix for it?

 

[[ Adam ]]

I'm pretty sure the first pull of the interior door handle unlocks the door and the second pull opens it?

Confirmed - that is correct. Strangely, I'd never ridden in the passenger seat before! So at least they can get out, they just can't unlock the other doors.

Were they able to fix the HVAC Blend issue? If so, what was the fix for it?

No - this largely went away - it only lasted a day or two. They have proposed to flush the coolant system, though I don't think that actually addresses the actual issue.

 

[Cheshire cat]

Had my HVAC system flushed the other day.
Apparently, the flushing process does not mean disconnection of hoses etc. It involves a series of actions from popping the bonnet, pressing the PARK button, foot on break and accelerator, starting the vehicle, etc. (Not all actions are described properly). If the sequence is carried out correctly, the vehicle starts to flush itself.
Unfortunately, it has failed to improve my HVAC sufficiently.

 

[Bayford]

Two days ago I had the engine shut down at 75mph in the outside lane of a busy dual carriageway. The vehicle came to a halt and subsequently failed to start. It was collected by Ineos Assist and returned to the dealer. It will feel at home as it has spent half of its six month life there.

This was a potentially very dangerous situation but not one that really surprised me.

I have had two weeks of trouble free motoring in the Grenadier which is the longest that I have ever had. All good things come to an end. I should probably have ticked the "reject and return" option, but I didn't as I think I Iike the car enough to forgive it its many faults

In my view Grenadiers are similar to classic Aston Martins. You might love them but you certainly don't trust them, expect electrical reliability from them, or regard them as a viable daily driver.

As long as I can keep the a Landcruiser in the stable for when reliability matters I will probably hang onto the temperamental beasts for the brief moments of pleasure that they can occasionally provide.

 

[Shaky]

Two days ago I had the engine shut down at 75mph in the outside lane of a busy dual carriageway. The vehicle came to a halt and subsequently failed to start. It was collected by Ineos Assist and returned to the dealer. It will feel at home as it has spent half of its six month life there.

This was a potentially very dangerous situation but not one that really surprised me.

I have had two weeks of trouble free motoring in the Grenadier which is the longest that I have ever had. All good things come to an end. I should probably have ticked the "reject and return" option, but I didn't as I think I Iike the car enough to forgive it its many faults

In my view Grenadiers are similar to classic Aston Martins. You might love them but you certainly don't trust them, expect electrical reliability from them, or regard them as a viable daily driver.

As long as I can keep the a Landcruiser in the stable for when reliability matters I will probably hang onto the temperamental beasts for the brief moments of pleasure that they can occasionally provide.

Sorry to hear that, I’m not sure I have heard of anyone having a reliability issue/s that have affected their Grenny as much as yourself.

 

[dreamalaska]

Had my HVAC system flushed the other day.
Apparently, the flushing process does not mean disconnection of hoses etc. It involves a series of actions from popping the bonnet, pressing the PARK button, foot on break and accelerator, starting the vehicle, etc. (Not all actions are described properly). If the sequence is carried out correctly, the vehicle starts to flush itself.
Unfortunately, it has failed to improve my HVAC sufficiently.

Do you mean the coolant system (antifreeze) or the AC freon system?

 

[Jackattack13]

Two days ago I had the engine shut down at 75mph in the outside lane of a busy dual carriageway. The vehicle came to a halt and subsequently failed to start. It was collected by Ineos Assist and returned to the dealer. It will feel at home as it has spent half of its six month life there.

This was a potentially very dangerous situation but not one that really surprised me.

I have had two weeks of trouble free motoring in the Grenadier which is the longest that I have ever had. All good things come to an end. I should probably have ticked the "reject and return" option, but I didn't as I think I Iike the car enough to forgive it its many faults

In my view Grenadiers are similar to classic Aston Martins. You might love them but you certainly don't trust them, expect electrical reliability from them, or regard them as a viable daily driver.

As long as I can keep the a Landcruiser in the stable for when reliability matters I will probably hang onto the temperamental beasts for the brief moments of pleasure that they can occasionally provide.

Wow, what a crap situation to be put in from a brand new vehicle. Glad you came out safe and no injury to yourself, family, and the vehicle.