Plus unsprung weight plus aerodynamics of a shoe box...impressive but the Grenadier is 40% heavier (900kg) so.........maybe 8 L/100km might be the best a Grenny would get on similar drive
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Plus unsprung weight plus aerodynamics of a shoe box...impressive but the Grenadier is 40% heavier (900kg) so.........maybe 8 L/100km might be the best a Grenny would get on similar drive
All is forgotten and forgiven when you factor in the overall coolnessPlus unsprung weight plus aerodynamics of a shoe box...
That’s similar to our X3 with the 2.0L TD motor. Tidy.Take this how you will, but a mate of mine just drove his 2020 diesel BMW X3 (same B57 inline 6 and ZF box the Grenadier shares) 900km from Sydney to Melbourne and recorded 5.5Lt/100km.
His car is probably one whole tonne lighter and has better aerodynamics than the Grenadier but I was pretty astonished! This is the photo he snapped of the cluster.
It gives me hope that we might get better fuel economy than is officially posted. We'll find out soon enough I suppose!
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True.Ineos salesman don't need to pressure sell - the car sells itself.
True.
I suspect once these things get out into the wild the general interest from non-original Defender tragics will spark and they will have a whole other group of potential customers seeking them out.
Or any other manufacturer that can actually deliver a vehicle in a timely manner!!!For JLR, the Defender is now supposed to be a brand all of it's own under its new "house of brands" strategy and spawn a whole family of vehicles.
The only thing I can see to challenge Ineos directly will be in the small electric 4x4 market. Indirectly, the competition will always be there if you have 60k to spend on a vehicle.
Good point. It's still a theoretical vehicle.Or any other manufacturer that can actually deliver a vehicle in a timely manner!!!
I don't disagree - but Stateside, I don't know if that's their strategy.It's an interesting point. JLR trade heavily on "heritage" which almost exclusively means old Defender, or earlier iterations.
I've just been to the main JLR website, and downloaded the LR experience brochure. There are 104 images in the pdf and an old Defender figures in 28 of them.
This is the section for Scotland:
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If you saw how many New Defenders drivers there are in SEQLD Australia, none of them ever see the dirt, then I would hazard a guess the majority of owners here in AUS are for show. Given most I see are just businesspersons/real estate agents. I have not seen a New Def towing anything yet - that's honest truth - not one has I seen with anything in tow...I'm not sure if this translates is the UK or EU or Oz, but in the States, but I wonder if many new Defender owners even know about the proper ones. I think the LR types here know and appreciate the company's history and story, but I'm not sure most new Def owners do. I could be totally off the mark, and I've no data to back it up, but that's what my gut says.
I was just poking around the LR USA site and couldn't find one image of a proper Defender. In the "our story" section it showed a blueprint-type drawing of an early Series - maybe the mythical "center steer" - but nothing about real Series trucks or Defenders.It's an interesting point. JLR trade heavily on "heritage" which almost exclusively means old Defender, or earlier iterations.
I've just been to the main JLR website, and downloaded the LR experience brochure. There are 104 images in the pdf and an old Defender figures in 28 of them.
This is the section for Scotland:
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I’ve been at that site in Dunkeld. My oldest son and I did the off road course in one of the new defenders. It was a good day out with friendly and knowledgeable staff.It's an interesting point. JLR trade heavily on "heritage" which almost exclusively means old Defender, or earlier iterations.
I've just been to the main JLR website, and downloaded the LR experience brochure. There are 104 images in the pdf and an old Defender figures in 28 of them.
This is the section for Scotland:
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I haven't placed an order yet. I'm about 90% sure I will. I have an event on in October and I don't want the car before then, so I'm just going to take my time and have a drive of a production one. I'd also like to try a diesel and a petrol. I probably won't be travelling next year so having a year to set a car up would suit me just fine.If you saw how many New Defenders drivers there are in SEQLD Australia, none of them ever see the dirt, then I would hazard a guess the majority of owners here in AUS are for show. Given most I see are just businesspersons/real estate agents. I have not seen a New Def towing anything yet - that's honest truth - not one has I seen with anything in tow...
To the point of the OP, have you decided on placing an order?!?!
I agree with youIf you saw how many New Defenders drivers there are in SEQLD Australia, none of them ever see the dirt, then I would hazard a guess the majority of owners here in AUS are for show. Given most I see are just businesspersons/real estate agents. I have not seen a New Def towing anything yet - that's honest truth - not one has I seen with anything in tow...
To the point of the OP, have you decided on placing an order?!?!
I'm sure their poor reliability reputation (which IMO is deserved) is hitting them hard. They know it too.. I'm not realistically sure what can be done either. It's not about factory build quality. Having vehicles that are electronic and mechanical Tour De Force is just not compatible with off road/touring use. It's like a philosophical problem for them.I agree with you
VFACTS is the official register of car sales in Australia and all manufacturers report to them every month on sales figures
However here In Australia in the land of 4WDS and SUV's LR must be seriously disappointed with the results
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