Leaking Safari Roof and Door Seals Flooding The Car And other Leaks and Problems

[shakesc]

Spoilt for choice on leaky Grenny threads so thought I would add to this one.
Had mine about a week and had bad weather for UK. So going out to the car was faced with a soggy passenger footwell. Booked into dealers who quickly replaced the seals (thanks Harwoods at Portsmouth). All good so I thought. A few days later faced with more bad weather and soggy footwell. The car is usually parked with front slightly down. I did try on the level and slightly uphill but no difference. In between I was regularly moping out and using towels to dry off as much as possible. The car is booked in again but given the persistent bad weather I wanted to do some investigation. First thing was take the safari windows out and a simply pour test down the drain tube. Passenger was not flowing as well as drivers but blew a bit of air down (used to have a Boxster and this was a regular even else again soggy footwell and drowned electronics). Another pour test all good. Next day soggy foot well again. Sticking my head around the footwell the majority of the water seems to be coming off the interior filter plastic housing with a little out of the side vents. Tried a bunch of different boxes but ended up with 2 taped together plastic magazine holders (A4) that fitted the footwell nicely and seems to catch a good amount of water. Decided in a quite moment to remove the cover for the interior filter under the bonnet. The seal was slimy and looking around there is a drain in that bulkhead area further towards the middle. This was pretty blocked with debris. Some squeezing of the hand in there and long screwdrivers I have managed to clear that out and do a simple pour test and it flows. Not saying this is fixing all my wows but hopefully it might give someone a few ideas.

 

[Skydance]

I would get a wet vacuum on the carpets and poke a chopstick through the block drains. It boils my blood looking at that.

I would then check the interior cabin filter to see if not interfering with anything. It’s most probably is the blocked drains like you said but how did so much debris get in there.

I once saw a Citroen like this, blocked water drain in the bulk head.

 

[ADVAW8S]

Spoilt for choice on leaky Grenny threads so thought I would add to this one.
Had mine about a week and had bad weather for UK. So going out to the car was faced with a soggy passenger footwell. Booked into dealers who quickly replaced the seals (thanks Harwoods at Portsmouth). All good so I thought. A few days later faced with more bad weather and soggy footwell. The car is usually parked with front slightly down. I did try on the level and slightly uphill but no difference. In between I was regularly moping out and using towels to dry off as much as possible. The car is booked in again but given the persistent bad weather I wanted to do some investigation. First thing was take the safari windows out and a simply pour test down the drain tube. Passenger was not flowing as well as drivers but blew a bit of air down (used to have a Boxster and this was a regular even else again soggy footwell and drowned electronics). Another pour test all good. Next day soggy foot well again. Sticking my head around the footwell the majority of the water seems to be coming off the interior filter plastic housing with a little out of the side vents. Tried a bunch of different boxes but ended up with 2 taped together plastic magazine holders (A4) that fitted the footwell nicely and seems to catch a good amount of water. Decided in a quite moment to remove the cover for the interior filter under the bonnet. The seal was slimy and looking around there is a drain in that bulkhead area further towards the middle. This was pretty blocked with debris. Some squeezing of the hand in there and long screwdrivers I have managed to clear that out and do a simple pour test and it flows. Not saying this is fixing all my wows but hopefully it might give someone a few ideas.

I believe this has been brought up before somewhere else but a different person. There is something with the fresh air vent that isn't attached correctly allowing water to come it. The person who mentioned it, said it happened when he drove it and then parked it. I don't know if this helps.

 

[MTNDOG]

I believe this has been brought up before somewhere else but a different person. There is something with the fresh air vent that isn't attached correctly allowing water to come it. The person who mentioned it, said it happened when he drove it and then parked it. I don't know if this helps.

Footwell Water Ingress - cabin filter

Cabin Filter Water Ingress. An issue has been identified on a small percentage of the affected vehicles where water appears in the passenger footwell. Click on the download button for more details.

www.theineosforum.com

Maybe this?

 

[shakesc]

I saw that , basically the TSB says replace the filter (unless I am reading it wrong).
I will be asking for that when it goes in next week.
Oh, I had the wet vac out on the carpet as well
My car is an ex-demo so hard to say what its done before but will be watching out for it going forwards.

 

[Cheshire cat]

Spoilt for choice on leaky Grenny threads so thought I would add to this one.
Had mine about a week and had bad weather for UK. So going out to the car was faced with a soggy passenger footwell. Booked into dealers who quickly replaced the seals (thanks Harwoods at Portsmouth). All good so I thought. A few days later faced with more bad weather and soggy footwell. The car is usually parked with front slightly down. I did try on the level and slightly uphill but no difference. In between I was regularly moping out and using towels to dry off as much as possible. The car is booked in again but given the persistent bad weather I wanted to do some investigation. First thing was take the safari windows out and a simply pour test down the drain tube. Passenger was not flowing as well as drivers but blew a bit of air down (used to have a Boxster and this was a regular even else again soggy footwell and drowned electronics). Another pour test all good. Next day soggy foot well again. Sticking my head around the footwell the majority of the water seems to be coming off the interior filter plastic housing with a little out of the side vents. Tried a bunch of different boxes but ended up with 2 taped together plastic magazine holders (A4) that fitted the footwell nicely and seems to catch a good amount of water. Decided in a quite moment to remove the cover for the interior filter under the bonnet. The seal was slimy and looking around there is a drain in that bulkhead area further towards the middle. This was pretty blocked with debris. Some squeezing of the hand in there and long screwdrivers I have managed to clear that out and do a simple pour test and it flows. Not saying this is fixing all my wows but hopefully it might give someone a few ideas.

I admire, massively your pragmatic attitude to this problem. It shouldn’t be expected and you shouldn’t have to do the research in finding the problem, but like several others on this forum, you get out and do it. Well done you.

 

[Karearea]

Having had this issue myself and remedied by my dealer over the course of a week as this was a new procedure for them and they had plenty of other stuff to keep them busy, I believe this tsb is the one you are after…

IATSB002099​

HVAC needs removal
Best of luck

 

[Skydance]

A coincidence, someone jinxed it. Never had issues with my safari roof, no leaks. But this week, I’ve had little droplets of water in the centre of the rubber floor mat in the morning. I checked everywhere, I park it with the car sloped downwards. It can’t be condensation on the aircon pipes because car wasn’t turned on. It’s not door seals because water collects on outside of the door shut (my door seals are good). I finally tracked it down to the safari roof, I opened and took out the window and found a pool of water towards the front edge. Preventative maintenance, take safari roof out, wipe down channels & seals and I stuck a couple of long zip ties down the channel to clear any blockage and hopefully this is good. Will need to test over the next week.

 

[shakesc]

After Storm Darragh, where previously the footwell would be very soggy its looking good.

As an aside at Caffine and Machine this morning for the Honour the Uplifted event. Good mix of cars and I had decked out the car with Christmas lights. All good fun

 

[G-Man]

Hi Folks

Unfortunately it appears my Trailmaster (with Safari Windows) has sprung a leak into the headlining. It started as droplets of water getting sprayed out of the gap between the top left hand corner of the windscreen and the headliner and has now progressed to water dripping out of the centre overhead console onto the main infotainment screen below. I've also got droplets inside the overhead cabin lights. It's not gallons of water yet but always some droplets when it's raining. The strange thing is the leak does not present itself until you get moving and then the drips start, which suggest cabin pressure must come into play. The droplets dry as salty marks indicating that it's external water laced with winter road salt as opposed to condensation.

I've just spoken to my local service centre and the earliest they can get replacement seals and take a look at it is early March. The vehicle has already been in with them for the same issue but at that time I got the dreaded 'could not recreate' rebuff, mainly because they were just running hoses over it as it sat in the car park.

Has anyone got any recommendations on what I should be doing in the meantime to try and find the source of the problem and pinpoint what needs to be fixed/replaced?

Thanks in advance

 

[Eric]

Hi Folks

Unfortunately it appears my Trailmaster (with Safari Windows) has sprung a leak into the headlining. It started as droplets of water getting sprayed out of the gap between the top left hand corner of the windscreen and the headliner and has now progressed to water dripping out of the centre overhead console onto the main infotainment screen below. I've also got droplets inside the overhead cabin lights. It's not gallons of water yet but always some droplets when it's raining. The strange thing is the leak does not present itself until you get moving and then the drips start, which suggest cabin pressure must come into play. The droplets dry as salty marks indicating that it's external water laced with winter road salt as opposed to condensation.

I've just spoken to my local service centre and the earliest they can get replacement seals and take a look at it is early March. The vehicle has already been in with them for the same issue but at that time I got the dreaded 'could not recreate' rebuff, mainly because they were just running hoses over it as it sat in the car park.

Has anyone got any recommendations on what I should be doing in the meantime to try and find the source of the problem and pinpoint what needs to be fixed/replaced?

Thanks in advance

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It starts when you're moving because it is coming off the sun visor.

 

[CRH]

Hi Folks

Unfortunately it appears my Trailmaster (with Safari Windows) has sprung a leak into the headlining. It started as droplets of water getting sprayed out of the gap between the top left hand corner of the windscreen and the headliner and has now progressed to water dripping out of the centre overhead console onto the main infotainment screen below. I've also got droplets inside the overhead cabin lights. It's not gallons of water yet but always some droplets when it's raining. The strange thing is the leak does not present itself until you get moving and then the drips start, which suggest cabin pressure must come into play. The droplets dry as salty marks indicating that it's external water laced with winter road salt as opposed to condensation.

I've just spoken to my local service centre and the earliest they can get replacement seals and take a look at it is early March. The vehicle has already been in with them for the same issue but at that time I got the dreaded 'could not recreate' rebuff, mainly because they were just running hoses over it as it sat in the car park.

Has anyone got any recommendations on what I should be doing in the meantime to try and find the source of the problem and pinpoint what needs to be fixed/replaced?

Thanks in advance

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If you can park facing down hill it will help and probably stop the leaking. Your pictures provide evidence of your issue so they cannot argue. Get on to them and say they had it previously but failed to remedy, the seals have been readily available (unless I used them all). It was a known fault. Ask them what to do about the leaking water into the electricals for a month and any staining to the head lining. Will they be removing everything to check for water damage and you want evidence of this if they plan leaving it this long after failing to fix when originally asked.

 

[Cheshire cat]

Hi Folks

Unfortunately it appears my Trailmaster (with Safari Windows) has sprung a leak into the headlining. It started as droplets of water getting sprayed out of the gap between the top left hand corner of the windscreen and the headliner and has now progressed to water dripping out of the centre overhead console onto the main infotainment screen below. I've also got droplets inside the overhead cabin lights. It's not gallons of water yet but always some droplets when it's raining. The strange thing is the leak does not present itself until you get moving and then the drips start, which suggest cabin pressure must come into play. The droplets dry as salty marks indicating that it's external water laced with winter road salt as opposed to condensation.

I've just spoken to my local service centre and the earliest they can get replacement seals and take a look at it is early March. The vehicle has already been in with them for the same issue but at that time I got the dreaded 'could not recreate' rebuff, mainly because they were just running hoses over it as it sat in the car park.

Has anyone got any recommendations on what I should be doing in the meantime to try and find the source of the problem and pinpoint what needs to be fixed/replaced?

Thanks in advance

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Gman
Really sorry to read of your issue. Some problems I can happily deal with, but water ingress would be a big deal to me. The dealers in Sterling seem to come with a very good rep. Is it worth calling them?
There is also a thread on here where someone spotted the point of water ingress via the front of the gutters. Could be worth checking out.

 

[CRH]

Gman
Really sorry to read of your issue. Some problems I can happily deal with, but water ingress would be a big deal to me. The dealers in Sterling seem to come with a very good rep. Is it worth calling them?
There is also a thread on here where someone spotted the point of water ingress via the front of the gutters. Could be worth checking out.

I thought the gutter thing was where it enters between the 2 door seals therefore requiring the holes on the outer seal

 

[Cheshire cat]

I thought the gutter thing was where it enters between the 2 door seals therefore requiring the holes on the outer seal

You are probably correct. As I have had no problems with water ingress, I didn't follow it that carefully. I'm sure there will be some threads on sun roof's also.

 

[shakesc]

No help but still having problems with water ingress myself. Has had the safari seals replaced, although I didn't see any leaks from those. The door seals have been stuck back on but water is still getting in. Most of the week its sitting parked slightly nose down (6 degrees according to the Grenny). I dry out the footwell and after heavy rain I am mopping out again (wetter on passenger than driver). Dealer is struggling to find a leak and has been running hoses over it.

 

[Cheshire cat]

I remember having similar water ingress problems with a Mitsubishi Shogun many years ago. Even changing the windshield didn’t improve things.

 

[Skydance]

No help but still having problems with water ingress myself. Has had the safari seals replaced, although I didn't see any leaks from those. The door seals have been stuck back on but water is still getting in. Most of the week its sitting parked slightly nose down (6 degrees according to the Grenny). I dry out the footwell and after heavy rain I am mopping out again (wetter on passenger than driver). Dealer is struggling to find a leak and has been running hoses over it.

Pretty sure, run a hose over the front windscreen towards the passenger side. Then stick your head with a torch and see if it drips below the glove box where the cabin filter is. It must be from the fresh air intake on the outside. Take off outside cowel trim to check for debris or seals.

 

[Skydance]

Hi Folks

Unfortunately it appears my Trailmaster (with Safari Windows) has sprung a leak into the headlining. It started as droplets of water getting sprayed out of the gap between the top left hand corner of the windscreen and the headliner and has now progressed to water dripping out of the centre overhead console onto the main infotainment screen below. I've also got droplets inside the overhead cabin lights. It's not gallons of water yet but always some droplets when it's raining. The strange thing is the leak does not present itself until you get moving and then the drips start, which suggest cabin pressure must come into play. The droplets dry as salty marks indicating that it's external water laced with winter road salt as opposed to condensation.

I've just spoken to my local service centre and the earliest they can get replacement seals and take a look at it is early March. The vehicle has already been in with them for the same issue but at that time I got the dreaded 'could not recreate' rebuff, mainly because they were just running hoses over it as it sat in the car park.

Has anyone got any recommendations on what I should be doing in the meantime to try and find the source of the problem and pinpoint what needs to be fixed/replaced?

Thanks in advance

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I would take out the safari windows and clean the seals with silicone. Clean the chanels and also there is a drain hole on each corner. Every so often, they block up and you have to clear them using a long flexible felt wire to poke and clean out. No more dripping especially if your parked facing downwards because the drains are at the front. Worst case, I’ve heard is the drain hose maybe detached somewhere. But I would try this first and it worked for me.