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Ineos forced to shut down production on supplier issue

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Media starting to break that production of the IG is going to be paused until 2025 due to financial troubles at one of its suppliers.

The UK dealers were just told and mine told me today but I didn't post anything until I saw it starting to appear in the media. I cant see behind the paywall but I wonder if this is recaro?
 

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"How Jim Ratcliffe’s ‘farmer’s car’ became a £1.4bn headache.​

Supply chain woes, marketing issues and a strategic blunder are weighing on Ineos’s Grenadier
Sir Jim Ratcliffe had a simple idea in mind when he started Ineos Automotive, his passion-project car company.
Dismayed that the beloved Land Rover Defender had gone out of production in 2015, the petrochemicals billionaire set out to create his own version.
His would be a car made for real, off-road adventures, delivering a riposte to the curvy, “luxury SUVs” produced today by the likes of Range Rover.
The result was the angular Grenadier 4x4, launched in 2022 with a starting price of £65,000. It even came with its own legend: Sir Jim claimed to have come up with the idea over a pint with friends while sitting in a London pub of the same name.
The car’s main selling point is summed up neatly on the landing page of Ineos Automotive’s website: “They don’t make 4x4s like this anymore.”
There is just one small problem: at the moment, they don’t make them at all.
Dismayed about the end of Land Rover Defenders, Sir Jim wanted the Grenadier to foster real off-road adventures

Dismayed about the end of Land Rover Defenders, Sir Jim wanted the Grenadier to support real off-road adventures Jay Williams
Ineos confirmed earlier this month that its car factory in Hambach, France, has completely ground to a halt after one of its key suppliers ran into financial difficulties.
The production crisis has dealt a fresh blow to the company in what has been a difficult year in more than one respect.
In July Ineos announced it was delaying the launch of the Fusilier electric vehicle indefinitely, blaming weak consumer demand and tough regulations that might prevent the car from using a petrol-fueled range-extender.
At the same time, the company suffered a fall in sales across Europe as a wave of pent-up demand that followed the pandemic petered out.
They are problems that even the biggest of car companies would struggle with, says Nick Parker, an automotive analyst at AlixPartners, let alone a new entrant to the market.
But they also underline why Sir Jim’s foray into carmaking – which has cost him at least £1.4bn so far – is a highly risky business.
“Starting a new car company is phenomenally difficult,” Parker says, “and frankly it is only going to get harder and harder now, from every angle.
“You’ve not only got incoming regulation, but also the need to develop the technology – which for an independent is extremely hard – and a need to differentiate yourself somehow in the customer’s mind, so they don’t just go to one of the more established car manufacturers.”
Elon Musk, the billionaire founder of electric car maker Tesla, found out just how hard it is to take on the biggest car companies when he sought to ramp up production of the Model 3, describing the experience as “the most difficult and painful year of my career” in 2018.
Tesla China-made Model 3 vehicles

Elon Musk said increasing Tesla’s Model 3 output was ‘the most difficult and painful year’ of his career REUTERS/Aly Song/File Photo
Lynn Calder, chief executive of Ineos Automotive, insists her company’s problems are not quite that bad. But she is quick to add the car industry is “definitely not for the faint-hearted”.
“I certainly wouldn’t say it’s been the worst year of my life,” she says. “But it’s been extremely difficult. And that’s why people don’t get into the automotive business.
“The barriers to entry – the investment requirements, the complexity, all of those things – are just huge.”
Designing a car, Calder points out, is often the easiest part. It is finding a way to mass produce your vehicle that is much more difficult, coupled with building a resilient supply chain.
Ineos Automotive, which began as “Projekt Grenadier” in 2017, originally looked at manufacturing in South Wales before swooping on the factory in Hambach, which had previously been operated by Mercedes-Benz.
There, it began production of the Grenadier in October 2022. But ramping up output proved difficult.
“We didn’t have enough parts and we didn’t have our supply chain up and running properly,” says Calder.
One early problem was the lack of a computer system to quickly tell employees exactly which parts were in the loads being delivered by trucks. Another was getting the parts to where they needed to be on the assembly line at the right times.
“You had a long list of things holding us back and you just had to go through them, every day, and knock them down like skittles,” Calder says.
Since then, that work has started to pay off: in the first quarter the company was producing about 20 Grenadiers per day but more recently the figure has leapt to 110.
But, for comparison, that is still a fraction of the roughly 700 cars produced per day by the Nissan plant in Sunderland.
The numbers are also academic at present, given that Ineos Automotive’s plant has been left idle due to its supplier troubles.
Recaro, a manufacturer of racing-style seats for several carmakers, is teetering on the brink of collapse, leaving Ineos with a chair-shaped hole to fill in its cars.
Ineos Grenadier interior seats

The Grenadier’s interior. Ineos will have to find another supplier for its car seats if Recaro collapses patrick@beadyeye.tv
And despite appearances, explains Calder, it is not a quick fix. Approval of the Grenadier’s design by safety regulators is partly based on factors such as the seat’s “reference point”, or how it is angled.
“Of all the components it could be, it’s just a really fundamental one,” she adds. Replacing it will require new crash tests to be carried out, creating further delays.
At the moment, Ineos conservatively estimates its factory may not be up and running until 2025 as it scrambles for alternatives.
Of course, the Recaro issues are not unique to Ineos. They come at a time when automotive supply chains have been left stressed by the pandemic, soaring inflation and more recently higher interest rates.
Some suppliers have also invested in preparing for the switch to electric vehicles, only to see this backfire as their customers – the major carmakers – delay orders on the back of an electric car sales slowdown.
For smaller carmakers like Ineos, supply chain volatility is much trickier to deal with, says Felipe Munoz, an automotive analyst at JATO Dynamics.
“There are always problems, but the smaller companies are much less likely to have a plan B,” he says. “That leaves them much more vulnerable.”
Ineos’s production woes also come at a time when the company’s sales have tumbled in Europe.
About 1,600 of the company’s cars were registered across the region (including the UK) during the first eight months of 2024, a drop of 23pc compared to a year earlier, according to JATO.

This included a 61pc drop in UK registrations – from about 1,000 cars down to 400 – and a 14pc drop in Germany.
Ineos claims its true sales figures are much higher. The company says it has sold around 20,000 vehicles globally, but this number is understood to include some that have not been delivered yet.
The drops come amid a weak car market generally, as cost-conscious consumers tighten their belts following a period of sharp price rises.
But Calder admits Ineos also tripped itself up with early business decisions – taken before her arrival – that she would not have made in retrospect.
For example, the company initially marketed the Grenadier as a “stripped-down”, functional vehicle – but the final version ended up boasting much higher specifications.
“We talked about this car as a farmer’s car,” she explains. “We said it’s going to be cheap and utilitarian. But over the development of the vehicle that changed – we put a BMW engine in it, for goodness sake.
“So it’s a really nice car, it’s a premium car. But it means we now need to talk about the car differently.”
Another early blunder was the company’s decision to pursue a direct-to-consumer sales model, rather than entrusting sales to dealerships.
Many carmakers have recently looked at adopting this “agency” model, used by Ineos in markets such as the UK and Germany, but Calder believes it was a mistake.
The company is now in the process of striking deals with dealers in every market so that they will take over the selling.
“It was an example of us thinking we can do something better than dealers who’ve been doing it for over 100 years,” she admits.
“Let’s just let the people with decades of sales experience do their job.”
Despite all this, a bright spot for the company is America, where sales of the Grenadier are booming.
The company has sold roughly 10,000 cars there already, making the US its biggest market by far, Calder says.
By a wide margin, the most sales have been made in the states of Texas and Los Angeles. Buyers are thought to have ranged from oil and gas executives to Hollywood celebrities such as Jamie Foxx, who has been spotted driving his Grenadier around the hills.
Calder says America, where big cars are much more prevalent than in Europe, is a natural market for the Grenadier.
“A lot of Americans love an off-road car that they can do a lot of mileage in. They also want something that’s comfortable,” she says.
This month, Ineos also launched in China and Mexico, taking its global presence to a total of more than 40 countries.
However, key challenges still loom on the horizon for the company.
Beyond its immediate production problems, Ineos needs to decide whether it will stick with its existing rugged image or compete with the likes of Range Rover in the luxury SUV space, says JATO’s Munoz.
“If they are looking to change their position towards comfort and luxury, they might find that even tougher,” he warns. “There are already brands out there which are stronger and bigger.”
Also troubling is the prospect of a ban on new petrol cars in the UK and the European Union, which is due to come into force in 2030 and 2035, respectively.

At present, Ineos believes this would rule out a planned variant of the electric Fusilier which would use a petrol-fueled range extender – a version Sir Jim himself has said he would prefer.
Calder admits the issue plays on her mind but argues the 2030 cutoff in Britain is “extremely optimistic”.
And with the company’s factory lines at a standstill today, it’s a deadline that feels a long way off.
For Calder, the answer is to stay tough in the face of obstacles – a bit like the Grenadier itself.
“To have production down at this point when we’re really gaining momentum is frustrating, for sure,” she says.
“But it’s not going to break us.” "




I love that they
Just in a german newspaper:


Summary: production is discontinued due to the loss of a large order.

But: the biggest customer was Ineos, wasn't it?

This would mean that Ineos has found another seat supplier.
i thought the lost order was Porsche
 

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This is due to the fact that Recaro can no longer supply seats because of the insolvency. Now it has to be clarified internally how to proceed.
They are well on the way to finding a solution. It won't take forever for the press releases to go out. Just be patient a little longer.
 
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I wonder is this will affect operations around the world? Perhaps they could move the manufacturing to the USA?
"Recaro Automotive seats are manufactured in the United States at their facility in Clinton Township, Michigan. This plant focuses on producing premium seating for both automotive and commercial applications. Recaro is known for its high-performance car seats, often used in sports cars, luxury vehicles, and motorsports."
 

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I wonder is this will affect operations around the world? Perhaps they could move the manufacturing to the USA?
"Recaro Automotive seats are manufactured in the United States at their facility in Clinton Township, Michigan. This plant focuses on producing premium seating for both automotive and commercial applications. Recaro is known for its high-performance car seats, often used in sports cars, luxury vehicles, and motorsports."
Now you circumvented the chicken tax. The vehicle is completed here in the US by adding seats. This is sarcasm and will never happen.
 

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I wonder is this will affect operations around the world? Perhaps they could move the manufacturing to the USA?
"Recaro Automotive seats are manufactured in the United States at their facility in Clinton Township, Michigan. This plant focuses on producing premium seating for both automotive and commercial applications. Recaro is known for its high-performance car seats, often used in sports cars, luxury vehicles, and motorsports."


If I remember correctly that plant supplied Ford Mustang seats and possibly other cars... I doubt they were making seats here and shipping them to France... Recaro has plants around the world... All of them are shutting down apparently..


I believe this is the plant Ineos cares about, it is located in Germany: https://www.recaro-automotive.com/u...rking-to-secure-a-future-for-germany-location
 
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How poorly are these companies run? Where is the Board on overlooking the financial duties? Companies crash and burn when there is no oversight. The more one thinks the more shocking. There has to be lots more going on in the Board Room at Ineos Automotive. I hope they come through, they have a fantastic product, if Ineos focuses on the Grenadier, no doubt, they can get it perfect. 🙏 I want the car I ordered. I'll call my salesman tomorrow for an update. If the car comes after 1/1/25 they must deliver me a 2025. I'll need a new Vin.
 

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If the car comes after 1/1/25 they must deliver me a 2025. I'll need a new Vin.

Seeing as it takes about 3 months to deliver it from the build date and the model year changed to MY24 around March, you would probably be looking at a delivery around July to achieve that.
 
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How poorly are these companies run? Where is the Board on overlooking the financial duties? Companies crash and burn when there is no oversight. The more one thinks the more shocking. There has to be lots more going on in the Board Room at Ineos Automotive. I hope they come through, they have a fantastic product, if Ineos focuses on the Grenadier, no doubt, they can get it perfect. 🙏 I want the car I ordered. I'll call my salesman tomorrow for an update. If the car comes after 1/1/25 they must deliver me a 2025. I'll need a new Vin.
Even if IA gives up on the effort, if they can find a buyer of the brand, IP. then I'm good with that as well.
 

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Okay, weird prediction here...
  1. IA produces two initial years in Hambach. Generally good product and good reception. ✔️
  2. IA enters Chinese market with enthusiasm. Safe to assume China has been discussed in the boardroom for some time. ✔️
  3. IA tests prestige waters with Arcane Works. New rich (Chinese or otherwise) often value prestige over function. ✔️
  4. IA experiences supplier and potentially bottom-line issues. ✔️
  5. Jim is content with his passion project: several years of British/European success and a successful entry into North America. ✔️
  6. IA sells the brand, designs, tooling, and intellectual property to Chinese interests (private equity or automaker). Jim and board cash out.
  7. IA enjoys wild success in the new domestic (Chinese) market with exports to AU/NA/EU simply an afterthought.
  8. Profit.
If this plays out, I'll be wary of a future prestige-versus-function direction. But I'll be very happy to continue to own an "original" and if the Chinese aftermarket tools up for interesting mods (a minority of which will actually be well designed and functional) ... cool, bring it!
 

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An article about the end of Recaro Automotive seats in the German "Automobilwoche", an automotive business magazine, stated that Ineos is the only car manufacturer who only received seats from Recaro and had a series order. All others, like Aston Martin, BMW M-Modells, Mercedes AMG, Cadillac, Ford, Mazda, Porsche, Renault and Sony just purchased them for their sporty modells as an upgrade option.

Recaro had almost none new development order and more and more ended up with selling spare parts over the last years. It does not belong to the other Recaro brands, like aviation seating.

When Raven Acqusition took over Recaro Automotive from Adient in 2020 they forced Recaro just to do performance seats. Already in 2021 it was predictable that this doesn't will work out, in 2022 it was obvious, looking at the numbers, says Automobilwoche. They were lacking several Million Euros already.

Someone in the supply chain management seems to have slept and overseen this risk and development of one of their key suppliers and didn't ask for plan B. Or someone just insisted on his personal preferences...

AWo
 
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Some additional info, you may have seen this. Our economy is really bad at this time in the year. The port strike will make it far worse.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar_iNMffe80
The economy is not bad, please share data that the economy is bad. Also, the West coast and Canadian ports have indicated they can handle the flow from east coast and the Gulf. Keep in mind the reason for the strike is the Long shore man do not want automation of cranes but also demand higher wages.
 

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An article about the end of Recaro Automotive seats in the German "Automobilwoche", an automotive business magazine, stated that Ineos is the only car manufacturer who only received seats from Recaro and had a series order. All others, like Aston Martin, BMW M-Modells, Mercedes AMG, Cadillac, Ford, Mazda, Porsche, Renault and Sony just purchased them for their sporty modells as an upgrade option.

Recaro had almost none new development order and more and more ended up with selling spare parts over the last years. It does not belong to the other Recaro brands, like aviation seating.

When Raven Acqusition took over Recaro Automotive from Adient in 2020 they forced Recaro just to do performance seats. Already in 2021 it was predictable that this doesn't will work out, in 2022 it was obvious, looking at the numbers, says Automobilwoche. They were lacking several Million Euros already.

Someone in the supply chain management seems to have slept and overseen this risk and development of one of their key suppliers and didn't ask for plan B. Or someone just insisted on his personal preferences...

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THEEEEEERE we go. Leave it to the dude who doesn’t actually own a Grenadier to sort out the mess and get the details right, with well-researched citations and a balanced perspective. Meanwhile, the rest of us will cite sketchy sources badly translated and provide unhinged conspiracy theories. At least that’s the way I do it.
 

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THEEEEEERE we go. Leave it to the dude who doesn’t actually own a Grenadier to sort out the mess and get the details right, with well-researched citations and a balanced perspective. Meanwhile, the rest of us will cite sketchy sources badly translated and provide unhinged conspiracy theories. At least that’s the way I do it.
You and I KNOW it’s Bigfoot and UFOs that caused the Recaro downfall. Convincing others to put down the Wall Street Journal and put in tinfoil hats - that’s the real challenge! 😝
 

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You and I KNOW it’s Bigfoot and UFOs that caused the Recaro downfall. Convincing others to put down the Wall Street Journal and put in tinfoil hats - that’s the real challenge! 😝
Big Brother is watching.
 
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