Good for you.in all the discussion please do not forget that for me English is not my first language. It is quite a work for me writing here. But it is a good way of practice it as well
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As if we don't buy too much from them already, LOLTalking of BEVs...
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"The new Maxus T90EV is the first all-electric pickup truck in the UK"
Available to order now for early 2023 delivery
220-mile range
Prices start at £49,950
1,000kg maximum payload – meaning the T90EV is eligible to be exempt from VAT
The new Maxus T90EV is the first all-electric pickup truck in the UK | Carbuyer
Chinese firm gives you an electric alternative to the diesel-powered Ford Ranger and Volkswagen Amarok
It will be possible to reach the house with one recharge. Unfortunately you should drive not faster than 100 km/h (better 80) and switch of ac or heating
Funny one bemax! I don't recall ever having turned the aircon off in my car nor driven below 100KMH. I think it would last a lot less now as I was in economy mode and I just found the sport setting. Unbelievable performance from a big SUV. Handles like a boat still and it is going to kill a few soccer mums. You can actually see the range counter go down in 5km jumps every 100 metres travelledIt will be possible to reach the house with one recharge. Unfortunately you should drive not faster than 100 km/h (better 80) and switch of ac or heating
Incredible! Do you know the size of the battery? I am always astonished about the poor „fuel“-economy of the german BEVs (the oncoming models seem to become better in this point)
No idea sorry but I think you have to drive EV's with economy and range in mind, not like you stole it. I just handed it back and got into my nice twin turbo diesel. Not as quick off the line but a lot more fun to drive.
Sounds like that’s not the vehicle for you. I suppose you’ll just have to wait for your dinosaur juice drinking Grenadier…..
My diesel Grenadier is going to be better for the environment than any electric vehicle. Our electricity isn't very green. . Coal accounts for about 75 per cent of Australia’s electricity generation, followed by gas (16 per cent), hydro (5 per cent) and wind around (2 per cent). Solar doesn't even get on the list it is so little.Sounds like that’s not the vehicle for you. I suppose you’ll just have to wait for your dinosaur juice drinking Grenadier…..
I love it ! That folks get on with it ... produce their own power, charge their own EVs. Helps with home air con too.
Good write up.
Yeah, fuel consumption is not great with the 4-Runner. It seems that the last generation of Toyota off-road vehicles all had bullet-proof power trains, but lousy fuel economy (the 5.7 V8 in the 200-series Land Cruiser, and the 4.0 V6 in the 4-Runner). I refer to the current 4-Runner as "last generation" because (as you said) it is on the way out. In its place is going to come a much more techy version, that will be lighter, and with a smaller forced induction engine. It will be a similar re-vision as the Land Cruiser went through (the 300-seres has more tech, is lighter weight, and has a smaller forced induction engine than the 200-series). The first Toyota off-roader to go through this transition was the Tacoma; the 3rd Gen Tacoma lost its fully-boxed frame in favor of a lighter C-channel, lost the old reliable - if thirsty - 4.0 V6 and got a 3.5 V6 that has no torque below 3200 rpm, and lost a manual transfer case in favor of a dial and an electronic system that is slow to engage 4-lo. In my opinion, the 3rd Gen Tacoma is riding on the reputation of previous generation Tacomas and other excellent Toyota off-road vehicles. I think it will have the shortest production period of any Tacoma, and I expect a 4th Gen soon - probably with a forced induction 4-cylinder engine - similar to the excellent 2.7 Inline 4-cylinder in the 2023 Chevy Colorado (also used in the full-size Chevy Silverado).Good write up.
Yes, after shopping around the 4R was at the top of our list. Power wasn't really a concern, reported fuel consumption more so. Loved all those traits you mentioned plus the cargo area and rear window for the dog, the near truck like feel, and the old school lack of tech in the cab. Guess the only hesitation was the seats weren't 100% and the wait and see of a rumoured redesign end of 2021. Funny, I went through that waiting game for a 1 ton Toyota diesel pick up - which never happened in NA.
I actually had a 1st gen 4Runner, bought new when I was a toddler. Really, really wanted an HJ60 but a strong Yen at the time kept increasing the price. Too bad because that year had the new, sweet 6 cylinder diesel (Canada)...sigh. Still had some fun in that 4Runner tho
Wife always liked (read wanted) the Defender and remembers the older LRs around, back in the day. So you can see where this is going re the Grenadier... but we'll see when we get there with pricing for my market and initial owner feedback.
I understand and agree with what you are saying about the "last gen" 4Runner. Had we strong enough need/desire to buy at that time the current 4R would have beat out Wrangler and Bronco (for us).Yeah, fuel consumption is not great with the 4-Runner. It seems that the last generation of Toyota off-road vehicles all had bullet-proof power trains, but lousy fuel economy (the 5.7 V8 in the 200-series Land Cruiser, and the 4.0 V6 in the 4-Runner). I refer to the current 4-Runner as "last generation" because (as you said) it is on the way out. In its place is going to come a much more techy version, that will be lighter, and with a smaller forced induction engine. It will be a similar re-vision as the Land Cruiser went through (the 300-seres has more tech, is lighter weight, and has a smaller forced induction engine than the 200-series). The first Toyota off-roader to go through this transition was the Tacoma; the 3rd Gen Tacoma lost its fully-boxed frame in favor of a lighter C-channel, lost the old reliable - if thirsty - 4.0 V6 and got a 3.5 V6 that has no torque below 3200 rpm, and lost a manual transfer case in favor of a dial and an electronic system that is slow to engage 4-lo. In my opinion, the 3rd Gen Tacoma is riding on the reputation of previous generation Tacomas and other excellent Toyota off-road vehicles. I think it will have the shortest production period of any Tacoma, and I expect a 4th Gen soon - probably with a forced induction 4-cylinder engine - similar to the excellent 2.7 Inline 4-cylinder in the 2023 Chevy Colorado (also used in the full-size Chevy Silverado).
Toyota Tacoma naturally aspirated 3.5 V6: 278 hp / 265 pound-feet of torque.
Chevy Colorado turbo-charged 2.7 I4 (high output): 310 hp / 430 pound-feet of torque.
If you want a 4-Runner because you prioritize simplicity, reliability, and relatively "old-school" tech, I'd say buy one now before they are gone. I think the price of the used 4.0 liter 4-Runners will go up just like the price of used 200-series Land Cruisers and FJ-Cruisers here in North America have gone up; a lot of people still want an "old-school" off-road vehicle. A 2014 FJ-Cruiser recently sold for $50,000 not far from where I live. The two major downsides to the current 4-Runner are the 5-speed transmission (way out of date), and the fuel economy. If you are really into off-roading, then the lack of a solid front axle, and the lack of a front locker are also downsides.
The downsides of the 4-Runner are probably what have you (like me) very interested in the Grenadier. The ZF 8-speed seems to be the best automatic transmission available in an off-road vehicle. We don't know how the Grenadier drives on-road, and maybe the IFS of the 4-Runner will handle better on-road than the solid front axle in the Grenadier. If that is the case, then one has to decide which upside to prioritize, and which downside is something one can live with.
As to fuel-economy in the Grenadier, we really don't know yet. I am not overly optimistic about fuel-economy, but I don't think it will be so bad that I won't buy it. Here in North America, real-world fuel economy in forced induction engines is always worse than what the EPA lists for the vehicle. The EPA test does not spend much time with the engine in higher-boost, and so fuel economy looks okay. Most people get into the boost more that the EPA, and see worse fuel economy. This is especially true if you live at elevation, tow a lot, or like "spirited" driving
) For that reason alone I'd go diesel especially if we had the no-up-charge choice.
Well said. I have owned many Toyotas, but I am also pretty frustrated with them now. They could have put an 8-speed transmission in the 4-Runner ages ago, and this would have helped fuel economy and overall driveability of the vehicle, and they consistently seem to do as little as possible to keep the Tacoma competitive: the 3.5 was a poor choice for a truck and its performance is the worst in the class, the new frame is flexy, tire options are limited and have fallen way behind other midsize trucks (Jeep, Chevy, and Ford's next Ranger), the seating position has remained a grievance among even die-hard Tacoma fans, it still has drum brakes in the rear, which Toyota says are better off-road (but all their other top off-road vehicles, like the Landcruiser, FJ Cruiser, and 4-Runner have disc brakes in the rear), and the latest Tacoma doesn't seem to have the same reliability of previous generations. But Tacomas are the best-selling midsize truck in the U.S. and - at least around here - the 4-Runner is enormously popular, so until consumers vote with their wallets, Toyota has little incentive to change.I understand and agree with what you are saying about the "last gen" 4Runner. Had we strong enough need/desire to buy at that time the current 4R would have beat out Wrangler and Bronco (for us).
Interesting about the current Tacoma. I'm more familiar with domestic full size light trucks and they seem to just keep improving capabilities, from payload to mpg.
Speaking of which, I imagine the 4R and Gren having very similar fuel consumption. Meaning, in 2022 = abysmal. Although noted the IG has more power, is heavier, full time 4x4 and appears less aerodynamic.
I have some difficulty with Toyota for letting it ride - not addressing crappy fuel consumption (which hurts the daily driver), and other updates - for so many years. They have the resources to do better but seem content to keep milking the cow as it were. Perhaps the latest delay is to gauge and address the success of the Bronco. Who knows, maybe on some trims they'll still offer the 4.0L but with the new transmission. Only #1 Toyota knows the what and why.
The Grenadier OTOH, I'm mostly okay with claimed fuel consumption. It's new and exciting project, and they seem to be really working to put together an awesome 4wheeler. I can forgive starting out with 'retro' fuel consumption.
And agree, I would expect typical consumption it to be worse than stated. But also that that won't be a budget buster for most buyers (would Sir Jim care ?). Biggest consequence of course will be range (for some markets
Ride and off roading ?, you're right, gonna depend on the individual. I think though, it will work for us on both counts. Price as well as ease and practicality of ownership are other considerations we'll have think about.
