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Drowning my Grenadier (a sorry, soggy saga)

I always secured my license plates against theft and loss with additional pop rivets (with large heads).
 

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I had a land rover years ago and put the front plate on the roof rack. Technically illegal but I never got pulled for it. Had a winch bumper so no easy way to mount it. It was a proper full size legal plate, perfectly legible, proper font and spacing, just higher than the prescribed legal maximum (I think 1500mm?)
 
I once asked (around 2000) from MOT inpector about the front licence plate location and his answer was "To be attached to a location intended for it". I had a tubular winch bumper (with no suitable place for it) and it was at roof rack. He was fine with that. Nothing was said about maximum height.
 
I had a land rover years ago and put the front plate on the roof rack. Technically illegal but I never got pulled for it. Had a winch bumper so no easy way to mount it. It was a proper full size legal plate, perfectly legible, proper font and spacing, just higher than the prescribed legal maximum (I think 1500mm?)
I once asked my MP if supercars were exempt from having a front registration plate as none round here seem.to bother.
 
I once asked my MP if supercars were exempt from having a front registration plate as none round here seem.to bother.
I had an interesting conversation re front number plates, as it is now applicable to the Grenadier. UK law requires certain markings on number plates. I am specifically referring to the suppliers name, post code and the BS number being present. There is now a tendency to use number plate holders, ( I use them on my trailers making changing them easier.) The front one of the Grenadier is also the holder type. But when they are used you can not see the required regulation footnote, the bar covers the footnote. The answer I was given, the plate must have the footnote but there is no legal requirement to display it. If the police need to inspect it they can always remove the plate!!!
 
I had an interesting conversation re front number plates, as it is now applicable to the Grenadier. UK law requires certain markings on number plates. I am specifically referring to the suppliers name, post code and the BS number being present. There is now a tendency to use number plate holders, ( I use them on my trailers making changing them easier.) The front one of the Grenadier is also the holder type. But when they are used you can not see the required regulation footnote, the bar covers the footnote. The answer I was given, the plate must have the footnote but there is no legal requirement to display it. If the police need to inspect it they can always remove the plate!!!
I don't have that info on the reg plates for 3 of our cars. Had to order ''show' plates. It looks awful and is pointless if the rest of the plate is UK legal
 
I always secured my license plates against theft and loss with additional pop rivets (with large heads).
There does not seem to exist an int‘l standard (UNECE, or on EU level) for the front license plate, reason being that it is normally not illuminated. German requirements for front license plates: May be inclined up to a vertical angle of 30 degrees against direction of travel. Lower edge not less than 200 millimeters above road surface, must not reduce ground clearance. Be legible from a distance of at least 20 meters at an angle of 30 degrees on both sides of the vehicle's longitudinal axis. So in Germany, the front license plate may be placed in whatever hight above 200mm above road surface as long it does not obstruct driver’s view and is legible, if placed on a front roof bar might need to be placed with a slight angle down. To not lose the sign when driving through water (like the Grenadier in the video), it would need to be attached at about the height of the waterline, i.e. on the front grille. The Letech winch mount solves this very well, even better when fixed as suggested by Greasemonkey, but is expensive. Still wondering what alternative solutions might be available?
 
I visited Chandlers this lunchtime and spoke to Jason about my truck. The technician has spent about 4.5 hours on it from late Thursday afternoon and the engine and induction system was full of water, the oil is contaminated, the injector tips rusty, (not surprising, the incident was nearly 3 months ago), and the engine was seized. After a few attempts on the starter, it spun, shooting water out, so presumably the rings had rusted up.

The insurance company has asked for a quote, so Jason intends pricing up a new engine, but of more concern, the technician reports that there are lots of codes stored and the dash is flickering. I'll post up some pictures when I get home.

Not a good day.
 
Oh shit. That’s not good, if they had got stuck in when it happened might they have saved it?

I suppose it’s feasible to buy it back as salvage and repair it with a second hand engine but it might just be better to take the payout and walk away.

Really feel for you Jeremy.
 
Likewise, very sorry to hear. I think with a modern engine and all the electronics/electrics together with time accrued sitting around it's a cut the losses and move on - if feasible.

Easy for me to say of course.

Best of luck with the outcome 🤞
 
I visited Chandlers this lunchtime and spoke to Jason about my truck. The technician has spent about 4.5 hours on it from late Thursday afternoon and the engine and induction system was full of water, the oil is contaminated, the injector tips rusty, (not surprising, the incident was nearly 3 months ago), and the engine was seized. After a few attempts on the starter, it spun, shooting water out, so presumably the rings had rusted up.

The insurance company has asked for a quote, so Jason intends pricing up a new engine, but of more concern, the technician reports that there are lots of codes stored and the dash is flickering. I'll post up some pictures when I get home.

Not a good day.
Again, I hope its a situation where this is totaled and you get a payout.
 
I visited Chandlers this lunchtime and spoke to Jason about my truck. The technician has spent about 4.5 hours on it from late Thursday afternoon and the engine and induction system was full of water, the oil is contaminated, the injector tips rusty, (not surprising, the incident was nearly 3 months ago), and the engine was seized. After a few attempts on the starter, it spun, shooting water out, so presumably the rings had rusted up.

The insurance company has asked for a quote, so Jason intends pricing up a new engine, but of more concern, the technician reports that there are lots of codes stored and the dash is flickering. I'll post up some pictures when I get home.

Not a good day.
I'm really sorry for you. I wish you lots of strength to get through this. But above all a big portion of luck. You deserve it!
 
I took some rather melancholy pictures while I was at Chandlers. My first thought was how many electrical connections had been unclipped to do the investigation.

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I did not realise that the panel at the back of the bonnet, (hood) was easily removed, but as an inline 6 is so long, it must make access easier.

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Some of the take off bits have been dropped in the back.

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The air filter is still slightly damp, even three months after the incident. You cannot help wondering if immediate action would have made resurrection more likely than the three months hanging around in various compounds.
 

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Personally I would be demanding a total payout, that car will inevitably have electrical issues forever plus the mechanical issues plus rust and mould issues
Don’t accept a fix and it will be ok…
 
Personally I would be demanding a total payout, that car will inevitably have electrical issues forever plus the mechanical issues plus rust and mould issues
Don’t accept a fix and it will be ok…
I don't get to choose, the insurance company does. The inside is dry and mould free. I'm still surprised that the engine is full of water, as it did not seem to be that deep, but it was fast moving.
 
Bugger!
I guess we'll find out how much a new engine is worth.
In general it's my understanding that if the cost of repairs exceeds 1/2 the vehicle value. insurance companies will write it off.
Adds up quick.
Hopefullyy it gets sorted PDQ now they are onto it.
 
To fit a B58 into the old style Defender can easily cost £40,000. Check out Mahker Engineering. As far as I understand, Mahker don’t even use new engines!
Maybe watching Matt Lancaster will help provide some encouragement. See what he manages to rescue.
 
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I don't get to choose, the insurance company does. The inside is dry and mould free. I'm still surprised that the engine is full of water, as it did not seem to be that deep, but it was fast moving.
As I recall you are with the NFU, if written off and your vehicle is less than 2 years old they pay out the full vehicle replacement purchase price and not a current value price". That will factor into their decision (the Underwriters that is). IMHO that would be the best option, and you can start a new ownership again. On a separate issue, were do you currently stand with a hire vehicle, a rebuild will take time, but to purchase new will take longer and if you receive a full pay out a hire car stops. To be fair though dealers do have current stock, if you can find your spec.
I do not envy your position every thing being completely out of your control. Good luck.
 
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