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Drowning my Grenadier (a sorry, soggy saga)

I always secured my license plates against theft and loss with additional pop rivets (with large heads).
 

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I had a land rover years ago and put the front plate on the roof rack. Technically illegal but I never got pulled for it. Had a winch bumper so no easy way to mount it. It was a proper full size legal plate, perfectly legible, proper font and spacing, just higher than the prescribed legal maximum (I think 1500mm?)
 
I once asked (around 2000) from MOT inpector about the front licence plate location and his answer was "To be attached to a location intended for it". I had a tubular winch bumper (with no suitable place for it) and it was at roof rack. He was fine with that. Nothing was said about maximum height.
 
I had a land rover years ago and put the front plate on the roof rack. Technically illegal but I never got pulled for it. Had a winch bumper so no easy way to mount it. It was a proper full size legal plate, perfectly legible, proper font and spacing, just higher than the prescribed legal maximum (I think 1500mm?)
I once asked my MP if supercars were exempt from having a front registration plate as none round here seem.to bother.
 
I once asked my MP if supercars were exempt from having a front registration plate as none round here seem.to bother.
I had an interesting conversation re front number plates, as it is now applicable to the Grenadier. UK law requires certain markings on number plates. I am specifically referring to the suppliers name, post code and the BS number being present. There is now a tendency to use number plate holders, ( I use them on my trailers making changing them easier.) The front one of the Grenadier is also the holder type. But when they are used you can not see the required regulation footnote, the bar covers the footnote. The answer I was given, the plate must have the footnote but there is no legal requirement to display it. If the police need to inspect it they can always remove the plate!!!
 
I had an interesting conversation re front number plates, as it is now applicable to the Grenadier. UK law requires certain markings on number plates. I am specifically referring to the suppliers name, post code and the BS number being present. There is now a tendency to use number plate holders, ( I use them on my trailers making changing them easier.) The front one of the Grenadier is also the holder type. But when they are used you can not see the required regulation footnote, the bar covers the footnote. The answer I was given, the plate must have the footnote but there is no legal requirement to display it. If the police need to inspect it they can always remove the plate!!!
I don't have that info on the reg plates for 3 of our cars. Had to order ''show' plates. It looks awful and is pointless if the rest of the plate is UK legal
 
I always secured my license plates against theft and loss with additional pop rivets (with large heads).
There does not seem to exist an int‘l standard (UNECE, or on EU level) for the front license plate, reason being that it is normally not illuminated. German requirements for front license plates: May be inclined up to a vertical angle of 30 degrees against direction of travel. Lower edge not less than 200 millimeters above road surface, must not reduce ground clearance. Be legible from a distance of at least 20 meters at an angle of 30 degrees on both sides of the vehicle's longitudinal axis. So in Germany, the front license plate may be placed in whatever hight above 200mm above road surface as long it does not obstruct driver’s view and is legible, if placed on a front roof bar might need to be placed with a slight angle down. To not lose the sign when driving through water (like the Grenadier in the video), it would need to be attached at about the height of the waterline, i.e. on the front grille. The Letech winch mount solves this very well, even better when fixed as suggested by Greasemonkey, but is expensive. Still wondering what alternative solutions might be available?
 
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