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Actually, that hex key was ideal for the drain plug but not so good for the fill/level plug on the front diff. Access is hampered by the various huge tubular steel arms ~ I'm not sure whether a socket Allen key and a 6" extension bar would be easier or not. Ran out of time to find an ideal solution today.
I realised I was assuming that the fill plug was also the level plug, so I asked the question:
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How could you over fill it it if it dribbles out when full or am I missing something. Maybe she or he is just Lala 🤔😂
It's critical the vehicle is level for the "when it dribbles out it's full". People have been known to jack the vehicle on one side only for access... resulting in overfilling...
 

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Yes, or if you have a big hand cranked pump with large nozzle, it's always easy to pump in an extra litre, pull the nozzle out and bang the plug in before it's all come out.
 

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Diff breathers are needed for anyone involved in water crossings above the top of the diff. No such water crossing means no need for third party diff breathers. Otherwise you run the risk of serious damage to the diffs, transmission and transfer case.

The small cost of fitting third party diff breathers is a lot cheaper than fixing a diff, transmission or transfer case due to water contamination.
The majority of owners will easily cross rivers axle depth if not wheel depth (without strong current). Not only Diff breathers, what about Gearbox and Transfer Case etc. plus others? The rear seat is way to low. Diff breathers need to finish highest point of the firewall.

I am told by the agent no one has fully seen the entire Grenie's Online Manual as yet along with the entire spare parts list.

There a few fundamentals required when you get it home. Famiiarisation, setting up the car properly with a few trial trips with mates with recover gear too is a good idea. Prepping the Grenadier is everything.
Am surprised with a few Youtubers is common just to take it out bush immediatley! (obviusly havent learnt the hard way). NOT a good idea way too many assumptions.

My suggestions;
  • Become familiar with the car, both engine bay and underbody, use the jack provided, see if you can undo the wheel nuts etc.??
    (get a jacking plate, extend the tools supplied, a good air compressor is essential like the TJM and a tyre gauge plus tyre deflators, spare valve stems/dust caps etc & a good puncture repair kit - all the basics.
  • When you get it home in the driveway, LANOTEC everything!!!! After a trip or under body wash, LANOTEC again (this helps INEOS chassis waxed coat protection).
  • Basic recovery items and practice using them. (If you ordered the Red Winch, replace the rope as is way too short and impracticle (trouble is have to dismantle the front bumper to access, a big oversight), as it regularly requires maintenence. Would hate to be trying to fix/connect a winch rope bogged under mud or water!
  • Fitting a strong bash plate to the higly exposed steering damper.
  • Check/provide all Diff/Gearbox/Transfer Case breathers actually work. Test Raised Air Tube (snorkel) is actually sealed?
  • Check Fuel filter / air filter - get some spares.
  • Purchase the essential spare parts - ie. spare wheel nuts & studs, lots of spare bolts too like suspension.
  • Many experienced off roaders paint the key underbody bolt heads to aid the quick check of all bolts for movement after aggresive track work etc. (before remote travel).
  • AIRLINE RAILS - fixings - refer to https://www.motexion.com.au/products/tiedown-rails-for-vans
  • Check all fuses - buy many spares.
And thats just for starters before adding gear!

G :)
 

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And thats just for starters before adding gear!

G :)

The majority of owners will easily cross rivers axle depth if not wheel depth (without strong current). Not only Diff breathers, what about Gearbox and Transfer Case etc. plus others? The rear seat is way to low. Diff breathers need to finish highest point of the firewall.

I am told by the agent no one has fully seen the entire Grenie's Online Manual as yet along with the entire spare parts list.

There a few fundamentals required when you get it home. Famiiarisation, setting up the car properly with a few trial trips with mates with recover gear too is a good idea. Prepping the Grenadier is everything.
Am surprised with a few Youtubers is common just to take it out bush immediatley! (obviusly havent learnt the hard way). NOT a good idea way too many assumptions.

My suggestions;
  • Become familiar with the car, both engine bay and underbody, use the jack provided, see if you can undo the wheel nuts etc.??
    (get a jacking plate, extend the tools supplied, a good air compressor is essential like the TJM and a tyre gauge plus tyre deflators, spare valve stems/dust caps etc & a good puncture repair kit - all the basics.
  • When you get it home in the driveway, LANOTEC everything!!!! After a trip or under body wash, LANOTEC again (this helps INEOS chassis waxed coat protection).
  • Basic recovery items and practice using them. (If you ordered the Red Winch, replace the rope as is way too short and impracticle (trouble is have to dismantle the front bumper to access, a big oversight), as it regularly requires maintenence. Would hate to be trying to fix/connect a winch rope bogged under mud or water!
  • Fitting a strong bash plate to the higly exposed steering damper.
  • Check/provide all Diff/Gearbox/Transfer Case breathers actually work. Test Raised Air Tube (snorkel) is actually sealed?
  • Check Fuel filter / air filter - get some spares.
  • Purchase the essential spare parts - ie. spare wheel nuts & studs, lots of spare bolts too like suspension.
  • Many experienced off roaders paint the key underbody bolt heads to aid the quick check of all bolts for movement after aggresive track work etc. (before remote travel).
  • AIRLINE RAILS - fixings - refer to https://www.motexion.com.au/products/tiedown-rails-for-vans
  • Check all fuses - buy many spares.
And thats just for starters before adding gear!

G :)
I look forward to you posting detailed information on some of those suggestions. A couple of points:
  1. The raised intake is not sealed. INEOS have confirmed this. It is a raised air intake not a snorkel. Safari Snorkels have confirmed there are no current plans for a snorkel for the INEOS (we can hope that will change in the future if enough people ask).
  2. You cannot put a longer rope on the Red Winch, it is custom winch made for the INEOS. You will need to use rope extensions.
  3. Both fuel filters have finally be found on the Diesel model (at least the OZ spec).
  4. Detailed threads already exist on fuses, NATO plugs, Deutsch DTP plugs and the CTEK chargers and quite a few other topics.
  5. The diff breathers are very low and I will be rising them, before going through water.
Start a thread on Lantotec style products and we can add Chasis Shield and others.
 

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My suggestions;
  • Become familiar with the car, both engine bay and underbody, use the jack provided, see if you can undo the wheel nuts etc.??
    (get a jacking plate, extend the tools supplied, a good air compressor is essential like the TJM and a tyre gauge plus tyre deflators, spare valve stems/dust caps etc & a good puncture repair kit - all the basics.
Yep
  • When you get it home in the driveway, LANOTEC everything!!!! After a trip or under body wash, LANOTEC again (this helps INEOS chassis waxed coat protection).
Probably not necessary, but can’t hurt
  • Basic recovery items and practice using them. (If you ordered the Red Winch, replace the rope as is way too short
The reason it is short is that there isn’t space for a longer one. Get a winch extension rope and an X-Lock for shortening it.

  • Fitting a strong bash plate to the higly exposed steering damper.

One will probably emerge, but it would decrease clearance. The damper is very robust and not hard to remove in an emergency if damaged
  • Check/provide all Diff/Gearbox/Transfer Case breathers actually work. Test Raised Air Tube (snorkel) is actually sealed?
It’s not sealed
  • Check Fuel filter / air filter - get some spares.
  • Purchase the essential spare parts - ie. spare wheel nuts & studs, lots of spare bolts too like suspension.
Yep
Check all fuses - buy many spares.
Yep
 

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Yep

Probably not necessary, but can’t hurt

The reason it is short is that there isn’t space for a longer one. Get a winch extension rope and an X-Lock for shortening it.



One will probably emerge, but it would decrease clearance. The damper is very robust and not hard to remove in an emergency if damaged

It’s not sealed

Yep

Yep
'Red Winch' rope too short: Therefore not enough length for double pulls etc. very limited.
 

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I look forward to you posting detailed information on some of those suggestions. A couple of points:
  1. The raised intake is not sealed. INEOS have confirmed this. It is a raised air intake not a snorkel. Safari Snorkels have confirmed there are no current plans for a snorkel for the INEOS (we can hope that will change in the future if enough people ask).
  2. You cannot put a longer rope on the Red Winch, it is custom winch made for the INEOS. You will need to use rope extensions.
  3. It’s good question; I doubt there’s easy data, but the temp differentials are probably more of an issue in Australia/Africa than anywhere else. I’m going to guess that working the axles does not create undue heat, and that really hot ambient temps are likely to get a higher number, who knows, maybe working hard 50 over a hot highway? Water can be 0, but in a hot country unlikely to be much less than 15, still a decent drop. Maybe someone could take a stab at the pressure (volume) change for say 5 litre air volume experiencing 35 degree drop?
    I’m looking forward to being too distracted by having the car to do this much conjecture…🥴
    When you get pulled out of river having 'drowned' your very first 4x4 in the middle of no where, you get distracted! (1978 - Nissan shorty, fortunately idling engine, to a day to clear water filled pistons, change oil etc - then home rippped out seates matting - very lucky, I learnt alot :)
  4. Both fuel filters have finally be found on the Diesel model (at least the OZ spec).
  5. Detailed threads already exist on fuses, NATO plugs, Deutsch DTP plugs and the CTEK chargers and quite a few other topics.
  6. The diff breathers are very low and I will be rising them, before going through water.
Start a thread on Lantotec style products and we can add Chasis Shield and othe
 

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'Red Winch' rope too short: Therefore not enough length for double pulls etc. very limited.
Easy enough to carry a 30m extension for when a longer pull is necessary. I understand globally winch line length needs are vastly different (here on the East coast of the US, if you can't find a tree within 15-20ft, you're doing something wrong; where as out West, you may be 70+ft, and thus something like a Pull-Pal would be advisable). In our neck of the woods, a short winch line is ideal and to carry (several) extensions for when other scenarios present themselves
 

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'Red Winch' rope too short: Therefore not enough length for double pulls etc. very limited.
You are missing the point. You said replace the winch rope, but with the OEM winch that isn’t possible as there isn’t room for more rope. It is what it is, if you can’t live with it then you will need to look for aftermarket bars and winches. You can do a double line pull with a winch extension rope, but you will need to make sure that the join is on the vehicle side of the snatch block or recovery ring. You will likely also need some way of adjusting the length of the winch extension rope like an x-lock. My need for a winch is limited it is more as an additional emergency option for me. I have rarely had ocassion to use mine in previous vehicles and and pretty confident that the INEOS winch, some soft shackles, recovery rings, an extension rope and an x-lock will get me out of the kinds of trouble there is any significant likelihood of me getting into. Also handy for manoeuvring camper trailer and other objects in odd spaces.

If you think you can’t manage without more rope then don’t order the OE winch, you won’t be able to make it work for you. You will have to see what the aftermarket comes up with. I believe LeTech has an option, at least for Euro bumper versions.
 
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I look forward to you posting detailed information on some of those suggestions. A couple of points:
  1. The raised intake is not sealed. INEOS have confirmed this. It is a raised air intake not a snorkel. Safari Snorkels have confirmed there are no current plans for a snorkel for the INEOS (we can hope that will change in the future if enough people ask).
  2. You cannot put a longer rope on the Red Winch, it is custom winch made for the INEOS. You will need to use rope extensions.
    You cant use a double line pull! Not long enough - wont always be front or rear recovery, try sideways? A good example however rare, not just off road alone:
    View: https://youtu.be/Z3ChEkSsxpE
  3. Both fuel filters have finally be found on the Diesel model (at least the OZ spec).
  4. Detailed threads already exist on fuses, NATO plugs, Deutsch DTP plugs and the CTEK chargers and quite a few other topics.
  5. The diff breathers are very low and I will be rising them, before going through water.
Start a thread on Lantotec style products and we can add Chasis Shield and others.
 
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I have rarely had ocassion to use mine in previous vehicles and and pretty confident that the INEOS winch, some soft shackles, recovery rings, an extension rope and an x-lock will get me out if the kinds if trouble there is any significant likelihood of me getting into
And a shorter winch rope and extensions might be easier to deal with if conditions are wet/muddy, especially seeing the way the Red winch is encased in the roo bar, being shorter is a plus there when it comes to crud and fouling on the rewind.
 
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And a shorter winch rope and extensions might be easier to deal if conditions are wet/muddy, especially seeing the way the Red winch is encased in the roo bar, being shorter is a plus there when it comes to crud and fouling on the rewind.
Also many people forget that the rated capacity of a winch is only for the first layer of rope on the drum you lose a significant amount of capacity with each additional layer. Often shorter runs and resetting is the best option in any case. If course double line pulls help to compensate there, but as I said before you can still do a double line with an extension, you just have to set it up differently. It is no doubt less convenient but it is what it is with this winch, there is no point whinging about it, order if you think you can make it work (I think I can) don’t order it if you don’t.
 
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