Coil Springs (specs v build)

[Logsplitter]

I see you dropped the s in ba-tards but that's exactly how you spell that word in French

So mine is the M1G EU 5 seat petrol without roof rack, trial master, dual battery, tow pack, winch front and rock sliders. I wonder if you have the 2-seater the coils are just a different compression rate and not necessarily load rating. It would make sense since the vehicle would behave differently when unladen compared to an M1G version no?

Sounds the most reasonable explanation yet

 

[PBD]

My trialmaster is away being fixed (3 weeks now) but I have a brand new Fieldmaster (Vin 003568) with only the towing pack on it.
So M1 5 seater. Front springs 2 green round dots. back 2 red triangles.
I will check mine out when it comes back.
Incidentally the software version on the loaner ends in 1941 and I am sure mine was 1939.

 

[DCPU]

Sounds the most reasonable explanation yet

"And ... what I heard: Ineos has still a lot of problems, and as examples:
a car was delivered with on one rear side tinted glass the other side normal glass
a car was delivered with on one side the utility L-track rail, the other side the plastic "cover""

Post in thread 'What did you do with your Grenadier today?' https://www.theineosforum.com/threa...your-grenadier-today.12411127/post-1333209810

 

[bemax]

Never replied to myself before so this is a first.

Front 5 spring options are green, red, blue, purple, black circular markings.

Good start Stu! Now you can begin arguing with yourself whether your answer was correct or not

 

[froggy]

Good start Stu! Now you can begin arguing with yourself whether your answer was correct or not

Just looked at mine 2red dots at front 2 red triangles at rear. Two seat commercial Belstaff Trialmaster with winch towbar and roof cross bars.

 

[Tinki]

I would never believe that i could possibly be this invested in what kind of colour triangles are on my cars springs ….
How times change . …
I need to know the meaning of the colours Ineos gods have mercy and reveal your secrets .

 

[Jean Mercier]

Belgium delivery => 2 red dots on the front springs and two red triangles on the back springs.

Colors are therefore red + yellow springs = you are a Walloon

 

[gkhaldi]

Colors are therefore red + yellow springs = you are a Walloon

Sure...

I'll ask Di Rupo to subsidize my registration which is already 12,5K

 

[jeremy_matrix]

I can’t see any logic to this so far. Mine is petrol with a winch , roof rack, tow pack etc but two seats. Green dots at front and green triangles at rear. . Maybe you specified the rear seating for very fat ba—tards

We still need more data of vehicle OPTIONS from the users below in order to make better sense of any logic.
@DCPU ; is yours a 5seater now? And any roof rack, light bar, snorkel, side steps or rock sliders? Would be helpful to know, thanks.
@Voader - Oudersopzwier; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@gkhaldi ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@Tinki ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@Arkaig ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have? Which rear springs do you have?
@lennie_4 ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?


Logsplitter, I imagine your front springs are the same 2 green circles as Voader - Oudersopzwier 5seat/no winch, maybe because your 2seat/winch/roof rack/side runner steps/dual battery = more mass (similar to a 5seat without those options?) and that means more forward weight shift under braking?
BUT then why does Voader - Oudersopzwier have 2 red triangle rear springs vs the 2 blue triangles of others? Does he have other options we don't know about? If so, that would = more mass to shift forward under braking, so then why does he have 2 green circle front springs??
Also, why does AnD3rew have 2 blue rear springs on his if he has more mass (diesel engine/side runner steps/roo bar/brush guards) than Jean Mercier or gkhaldi which are both petrol and have none of those add'l options?

While I thought green was lightest rate, then blue heavier, and red even heavier, I'm no longer certain.
Currently I've changed the arrangement of my data to better standardized their list of options to try to make better sense of it for everyone, and bolded key #seat/engine info in regards to front springs for now;


**DIESEL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Voader - Oudersopzwier; EU spec N1.
5seat, diesel, no winch.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

DCPU; UK spec, N1 [which is a 2seat UtilityWagon/UW, but then you had them add the rear bench to make it a 5seat?],
5seat??, diesel, no winch, 17" steels w/ BFG KO2s.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

Arkaig; UK spec, M1 SW, Fieldmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear; ?? (??)

Tinki; UK spec M1, Trialmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch, snorkel, rock sliders.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

AnD3rew; Aussie spec M1 SW, Trialmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch, 17" alloys w/ BFG K02s, roof bars, snorkel, side runner steps, bull(roo)bar, brush guards, tow bar.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

lennie_4; AUS spec, Trialmaster.
5seat, diesel, winch, (no roof rack), rock sliders, bull(roo)bar, brush guards.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)


**PETROL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Logsplitter; N1 UW commercial.
2 seat, petrol, winch, roof rack, side runner steps, dual battery, tow pack, etc.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear; EL- 0000019550 (2 green triangles)

Jean Mercier; EU spec M1 SW, Trialmaster, LHD.
5seat, petrol, winch, steel rim w/ BFG K02s, snorkel, dual battery, safari windows.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

gkhaldi; EU spec, M1 Trialmaster.
5 seat, petrol, winch, rock sliders.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

Eldoret Blue up on inspection rack, Seattle WA; USA spec, M1 SW, Fieldmaster.
5seat, petrol, winch, roof rack, side runner steps, 18" alloys w/ BFG K02s.
Front: ?? (??) <might have 2 red circles based on other vehicles here>
Rear; EI-0000019650 (??)

 

[Voader - Oudersopzwier]

We still need more data of vehicle OPTIONS from the users below in order to make better sense of any logic.

@Voader - Oudersopzwier; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
;


**DIESEL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Voader - Oudersopzwier; EU spec N1.
5seat, diesel, no winch.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

Non options at all. just a naked N1, 5 seater, (now transformed to a 2 seater) leather seats with ass-heating. 17 inch Alu rims with BF Goodrich tires.
But my dealer told me it was a bit of a car with strange specs. He also has a low vin 4XX From 24 nov 2022. So they probably took what they had on the shelf and made a car of it, or it's a cannibalised car. I don’t know the real story. Anyway, 8 weeks ago I went to have a test drive and asked what they had on stock or immediately available. they had one who wasn’t sold… the rest is history.

 

[Logsplitter]

We still need more data of vehicle OPTIONS from the users below in order to make better sense of any logic.
@DCPU ; is yours a 5seater now? And any roof rack, light bar, snorkel, side steps or rock sliders? Would be helpful to know, thanks.
@Voader - Oudersopzwier; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@gkhaldi ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@Tinki ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@Arkaig ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have? Which rear springs do you have?
@lennie_4 ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?


Logsplitter, I imagine your front springs are the same 2 green circles as Voader - Oudersopzwier 5seat/no winch, maybe because your 2seat/winch/roof rack/side runner steps/dual battery = more mass (similar to a 5seat without those options?) and that means more forward weight shift under braking?
BUT then why does Voader - Oudersopzwier have 2 red triangle rear springs vs the 2 blue triangles of others? Does he have other options we don't know about? If so, that would = more mass to shift forward under braking, so then why does he have 2 green circle front springs??
Also, why does AnD3rew have 2 blue rear springs on his if he has more mass (diesel engine/side runner steps/roo bar/brush guards) than Jean Mercier or gkhaldi which are both petrol and have none of those add'l options?

While I thought green was lightest rate, then blue heavier, and red even heavier, I'm no longer certain.
Currently I've changed the arrangement of my data to better standardized their list of options to try to make better sense of it for everyone, and bolded key #seat/engine info in regards to front springs for now;


**DIESEL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Voader - Oudersopzwier; EU spec N1.
5seat, diesel, no winch.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

DCPU; UK spec, N1 [which is a 2seat UtilityWagon/UW, but then you had them add the rear bench to make it a 5seat?],
5seat??, diesel, no winch, 17" steels w/ BFG KO2s.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

Arkaig; UK spec, M1 SW, Fieldmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear; ?? (??)

Tinki; UK spec M1, Trialmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch, snorkel, rock sliders.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

AnD3rew; Aussie spec M1 SW, Trialmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch, 17" alloys w/ BFG K02s, roof bars, snorkel, side runner steps, bull(roo)bar, brush guards, tow bar.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

lennie_4; AUS spec, Trialmaster.
5seat, diesel, winch, (no roof rack), rock sliders, bull(roo)bar, brush guards.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)


**PETROL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Logsplitter; N1 UW commercial.
2 seat, petrol, winch, roof rack, side runner steps, dual battery, tow pack, etc.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear; EL- 0000019550 (2 green triangles)

Jean Mercier; EU spec M1 SW, Trialmaster, LHD.
5seat, petrol, winch, steel rim w/ BFG K02s, snorkel, dual battery, safari windows.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

gkhaldi; EU spec, M1 Trialmaster.
5 seat, petrol, winch, rock sliders.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

Eldoret Blue up on inspection rack, Seattle WA; USA spec, M1 SW, Fieldmaster.
5seat, petrol, winch, roof rack, side runner steps, 18" alloys w/ BFG K02s.
Front: ?? (??) <might have 2 red circles based on other vehicles here>
Rear; EI-0000019650 (??)

Add to mine 17” steel wheels and BFG tyres plus tow hitch.

 

[jeremy_matrix]

We still need more data of vehicle OPTIONS from the users below in order to make better sense of any logic.
@DCPU ; is yours a 5seater now? And any roof rack, light bar, snorkel, side steps or rock sliders? Would be helpful to know, thanks.
@gkhaldi ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@Tinki ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@Arkaig ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have? Which rear springs do you have?
@lennie_4 ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?

Logsplitter, I imagine your front springs are the same 2 green circles as Voader - Oudersopzwier 5seat/no winch, maybe because your 2seat/winch/roof rack/side runner steps/dual battery = more mass (similar to a 5seat without those options?) and that means more forward weight shift under braking?
BUT then why does Voader - Oudersopzwier have 2 red triangle rear springs vs the 2 blue triangles of others, especially when his has no options like others with 2 red triangles have?
Also, why does AnD3rew have 2 blue rear springs on his if he has more mass (diesel engine/side runner steps/roo bar/brush guards) than Jean Mercier or gkhaldi which are both petrol and have none of those add'l options?

While I thought green was lightest rate, then blue heavier, and red even heavier, I'm no longer certain.


**DIESEL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Voader - Oudersopzwier; EU spec N1.
5seat, diesel, no winch, 17" alloys w/ BFG KO2s.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

DCPU; UK spec, N1 [which is a 2seat UtilityWagon/UW, but then you had them add the rear bench to make it a 5seat?],
5seat??, diesel, no winch, 17" steels w/ BFG KO2s.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

Arkaig; UK spec, M1 SW, Fieldmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear; ?? (??)

Tinki; UK spec M1, Trialmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch, snorkel, rock sliders.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

AnD3rew; Aussie spec M1 SW, Trialmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch, 17" alloys w/ BFG K02s, roof bars, snorkel, side runner steps, bull(roo)bar, brush guards, tow bar.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

lennie_4; AUS spec, Trialmaster.
5seat, diesel, winch, (no roof rack), rock sliders, bull(roo)bar, brush guards.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)


**PETROL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Logsplitter; N1 UW commercial.
2 seat, petrol, winch, 17" steels w/ BFG KO2s, roof rack, side runner steps, dual battery, tow hitch/pack.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear; EL- 0000019550 (2 green triangles)

Jean Mercier; EU spec M1 SW, Trialmaster, LHD.
5seat, petrol, winch, steel rim w/ BFG K02s, snorkel, dual battery, safari windows.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

gkhaldi; EU spec, M1 Trialmaster.
5 seat, petrol, winch, rock sliders.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

Eldoret Blue up on inspection rack, Seattle WA; USA spec, M1 SW, Fieldmaster.
5seat, petrol, winch, roof rack, side runner steps, 18" alloys w/ BFG K02s.
Front: ?? (??) <might have 2 red circles based on other vehicles here>
Rear; EI-0000019650 (??)

 

[gkhaldi]

We still need more data of vehicle OPTIONS from the users below in order to make better sense of any logic.
@DCPU ; is yours a 5seater now? And any roof rack, light bar, snorkel, side steps or rock sliders? Would be helpful to know, thanks.
@gkhaldi ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@Tinki ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@Arkaig ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have? Which rear springs do you have?
@lennie_4 ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?

Logsplitter, I imagine your front springs are the same 2 green circles as Voader - Oudersopzwier 5seat/no winch, maybe because your 2seat/winch/roof rack/side runner steps/dual battery = more mass (similar to a 5seat without those options?) and that means more forward weight shift under braking?
BUT then why does Voader - Oudersopzwier have 2 red triangle rear springs vs the 2 blue triangles of others, especially when his has no options like others with 2 red triangles have?
Also, why does AnD3rew have 2 blue rear springs on his if he has more mass (diesel engine/side runner steps/roo bar/brush guards) than Jean Mercier or gkhaldi which are both petrol and have none of those add'l options?

While I thought green was lightest rate, then blue heavier, and red even heavier, I'm no longer certain.


**DIESEL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Voader - Oudersopzwier; EU spec N1.
5seat, diesel, no winch, 17" alloys w/ BFG KO2s.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

DCPU; UK spec, N1 [which is a 2seat UtilityWagon/UW, but then you had them add the rear bench to make it a 5seat?],
5seat??, diesel, no winch, 17" steels w/ BFG KO2s.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

Arkaig; UK spec, M1 SW, Fieldmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear; ?? (??)

Tinki; UK spec M1, Trialmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch, snorkel, rock sliders.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

AnD3rew; Aussie spec M1 SW, Trialmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch, 17" alloys w/ BFG K02s, roof bars, snorkel, side runner steps, bull(roo)bar, brush guards, tow bar.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

lennie_4; AUS spec, Trialmaster.
5seat, diesel, winch, (no roof rack), rock sliders, bull(roo)bar, brush guards.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)


**PETROL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Logsplitter; N1 UW commercial.
2 seat, petrol, winch, 17" steels w/ BFG KO2s, roof rack, side runner steps, dual battery, tow hitch/pack.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear; EL- 0000019550 (2 green triangles)

Jean Mercier; EU spec M1 SW, Trialmaster, LHD.
5seat, petrol, winch, steel rim w/ BFG K02s, snorkel, dual battery, safari windows.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

gkhaldi; EU spec, M1 Trialmaster.
5 seat, petrol, winch, rock sliders.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

Eldoret Blue up on inspection rack, Seattle WA; USA spec, M1 SW, Fieldmaster.
5seat, petrol, winch, roof rack, side runner steps, 18" alloys w/ BFG K02s.
Front: ?? (??) <might have 2 red circles based on other vehicles here>
Rear; EI-0000019650 (??)

Hi Jeremy,

This is build and configuration list (serial 22XX)
"Rough Pack
- Differential Locks Front & Rear
- BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 Tyre
"Smooth Pack
- Rear-View Camera
- Park Assist Front (PDC)
- Power Heated Exterior Mirrors
- Heated Windscreen Washer Jets
- Central Stowage Box Lockable
- Puddle Lamps and Ambient Door Lighting
- Auxiliary Charge Points
- Advanced Anti-Theft Alarm & Immobiliser (Thatcham Cat. 1) Metallic Paint - Donny Grey
Contrast Ladder Frame - Powder Coat Red
"18"" Steel Wheel"
Spare Wheel Lockable Storage Box
Heat Reflective Privacy Glass
Safari Windows
Seating - Leather Trim - Black
Seating - Heated Front Seats
Integrated Heavy Duty Winch - 5.5 Tonnes
Fixed Towball and Electrics
Rock Sliders
Rubber Floor Mats
Foldable Tailgate Camp Table
Utility Cargo Barrier - Half-height
Cargo Management System
Off-Road Recovery Kit
Exterior Utility Belt
Nappa Leather Driver's Pack
Compass with Altimeter
Access Ladder
Rear Side Windows
Heavy Duty Utility Flooring with Drain Valves
Raised Air Intake
Auxiliary Battery
High Load Auxiliary Switch Panel & Electrical Preparation Roadside Emergency Kit
Interior Utility Rails

 

[gkhaldi]

We still need more data of vehicle OPTIONS from the users below in order to make better sense of any logic.
@DCPU ; is yours a 5seater now? And any roof rack, light bar, snorkel, side steps or rock sliders? Would be helpful to know, thanks.
@Voader - Oudersopzwier; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@gkhaldi ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@Tinki ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@Arkaig ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have? Which rear springs do you have?
@lennie_4 ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?


Logsplitter, I imagine your front springs are the same 2 green circles as Voader - Oudersopzwier 5seat/no winch, maybe because your 2seat/winch/roof rack/side runner steps/dual battery = more mass (similar to a 5seat without those options?) and that means more forward weight shift under braking?
BUT then why does Voader - Oudersopzwier have 2 red triangle rear springs vs the 2 blue triangles of others? Does he have other options we don't know about? If so, that would = more mass to shift forward under braking, so then why does he have 2 green circle front springs??
Also, why does AnD3rew have 2 blue rear springs on his if he has more mass (diesel engine/side runner steps/roo bar/brush guards) than Jean Mercier or gkhaldi which are both petrol and have none of those add'l options?

While I thought green was lightest rate, then blue heavier, and red even heavier, I'm no longer certain.
Currently I've changed the arrangement of my data to better standardized their list of options to try to make better sense of it for everyone, and bolded key #seat/engine info in regards to front springs for now;


**DIESEL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Voader - Oudersopzwier; EU spec N1.
5seat, diesel, no winch.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

DCPU; UK spec, N1 [which is a 2seat UtilityWagon/UW, but then you had them add the rear bench to make it a 5seat?],
5seat??, diesel, no winch, 17" steels w/ BFG KO2s.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

Arkaig; UK spec, M1 SW, Fieldmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear; ?? (??)

Tinki; UK spec M1, Trialmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch, snorkel, rock sliders.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

AnD3rew; Aussie spec M1 SW, Trialmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch, 17" alloys w/ BFG K02s, roof bars, snorkel, side runner steps, bull(roo)bar, brush guards, tow bar.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

lennie_4; AUS spec, Trialmaster.
5seat, diesel, winch, (no roof rack), rock sliders, bull(roo)bar, brush guards.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)


**PETROL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Logsplitter; N1 UW commercial.
2 seat, petrol, winch, roof rack, side runner steps, dual battery, tow pack, etc.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear; EL- 0000019550 (2 green triangles)

Jean Mercier; EU spec M1 SW, Trialmaster, LHD.
5seat, petrol, winch, steel rim w/ BFG K02s, snorkel, dual battery, safari windows.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

gkhaldi; EU spec, M1 Trialmaster.
5 seat, petrol, winch, rock sliders.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

Eldoret Blue up on inspection rack, Seattle WA; USA spec, M1 SW, Fieldmaster.
5seat, petrol, winch, roof rack, side runner steps, 18" alloys w/ BFG K02s.
Front: ?? (??) <might have 2 red circles based on other vehicles here>
Rear; EI-0000019650 (??)

Hi Jeremy,

I come back to my previous statement; I believe the different colors aren’t as much for load rating as for the dual compression on the springs.The N1 version should be lighter in ‘actual state of mass” according to the COC. Since the first part of the compression springs are there to give a more compliant ride with minimal load, it would make sense that this is different depending on type of IG. All IG have a standard max weight loaded pf 3.500 kg (except for Australia where it’s 3.550 kg). So in essence, all springs mounted under the vehicle need to be able to cope with that weight.

The fact that we have different rear colors on the same M1 might come down to the tow pack and dual battery option.

Maybe everyone should provide their weight conform the COC. Mine says the following on the COC:
Mass in running order: 2.740 kg
Actual mass of the vehicle: 2.883 kg

Anyways, just my 2c

 

[DCPU]

Yes but 40kgs isn't much

So adding a 30kg winch necessitates a change of spring but adding a further 40kgs with the roo bar doesn't.

 

[Tinki]

We still need more data of vehicle OPTIONS from the users below in order to make better sense of any logic.
@DCPU ; is yours a 5seater now? And any roof rack, light bar, snorkel, side steps or rock sliders? Would be helpful to know, thanks.
@gkhaldi ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@Tinki ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?
@Arkaig ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have? Which rear springs do you have?
@lennie_4 ; do you have alloy or steel wheels? 17" or 18"? Which tires? And what other options do you have?

Logsplitter, I imagine your front springs are the same 2 green circles as Voader - Oudersopzwier 5seat/no winch, maybe because your 2seat/winch/roof rack/side runner steps/dual battery = more mass (similar to a 5seat without those options?) and that means more forward weight shift under braking?
BUT then why does Voader - Oudersopzwier have 2 red triangle rear springs vs the 2 blue triangles of others, especially when his has no options like others with 2 red triangles have?
Also, why does AnD3rew have 2 blue rear springs on his if he has more mass (diesel engine/side runner steps/roo bar/brush guards) than Jean Mercier or gkhaldi which are both petrol and have none of those add'l options?

While I thought green was lightest rate, then blue heavier, and red even heavier, I'm no longer certain.


**DIESEL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Voader - Oudersopzwier; EU spec N1.
5seat, diesel, no winch, 17" alloys w/ BFG KO2s.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

DCPU; UK spec, N1 [which is a 2seat UtilityWagon/UW, but then you had them add the rear bench to make it a 5seat?],
5seat??, diesel, no winch, 17" steels w/ BFG KO2s.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

Arkaig; UK spec, M1 SW, Fieldmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear; ?? (??)

Tinki; UK spec M1, Trialmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch, snorkel, rock sliders.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

AnD3rew; Aussie spec M1 SW, Trialmaster, RHD.
5seat, diesel, winch, 17" alloys w/ BFG K02s, roof bars, snorkel, side runner steps, bull(roo)bar, brush guards, tow bar.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021752 (2 blue triangles)

lennie_4; AUS spec, Trialmaster.
5seat, diesel, winch, (no roof rack), rock sliders, bull(roo)bar, brush guards.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)


**PETROL** (from lighterweight to heavierweight based on the increased mass from additional options)
Logsplitter; N1 UW commercial.
2 seat, petrol, winch, 17" steels w/ BFG KO2s, roof rack, side runner steps, dual battery, tow hitch/pack.
Front: EI-0000019546 (2 green circles)
Rear; EL- 0000019550 (2 green triangles)

Jean Mercier; EU spec M1 SW, Trialmaster, LHD.
5seat, petrol, winch, steel rim w/ BFG K02s, snorkel, dual battery, safari windows.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

gkhaldi; EU spec, M1 Trialmaster.
5 seat, petrol, winch, rock sliders.
Front: EI-0000019547 (2 red circles)
Rear: EI-0000021751 (2 red triangles)

Eldoret Blue up on inspection rack, Seattle WA; USA spec, M1 SW, Fieldmaster.
5seat, petrol, winch, roof rack, side runner steps, 18" alloys w/ BFG K02s.
Front: ?? (??) <might have 2 red circles based on other vehicles here>
Rear; EI-0000019650 (??)

Jeremy you legend . My Gren has alloy 18 inch wheels wraped in BF rubber .

 

[DaveB]

So adding a 30kg winch necessitates a change of spring but adding a further 40kgs with the roo bar doesn't.

I guess it could be because the roo bars weight is spread right across the front of the vehicle, even though it is only mounted to the two frame rails.
The winch is loaded over a fairly small area and will potentially have another 5.5 Tonnes horizontal..ish load hanging off it.
If the vehicle was sitting at the top of a hill trying to pull another vehicle up then it could easily bottom out the springs.
Or maybe I am completely wrong

 

[bemax]

Don’t talk to much in the springs colour coding.
A friend of mine has nearly the exact same Fieldmaster as I have (regarding weight)
But my car is 2 cm higher at the backside than his. I will check the springs coding as soon as we stay close to each other to see whether we have the same.
A company that obviously builds in different headrests will surly be able to confuse itself which springs are to use…

 

[Jean Mercier]

Hi Jeremy,

I come back to my previous statement; I believe the different colors aren’t as much for load rating as for the dual compression on the springs.The N1 version should be lighter in ‘actual state of mass” according to the COC. Since the first part of the compression springs are there to give a more compliant ride with minimal load, it would make sense that this is different depending on type of IG. All IG have a standard max weight loaded pf 3.500 kg (except for Australia where it’s 3.550 kg). So in essence, all springs mounted under the vehicle need to be able to cope with that weight.

The fact that we have different rear colors on the same M1 might come down to the tow pack and dual battery option.

Maybe everyone should provide their weight conform the COC. Mine says the following on the COC:
Mass in running order: 2.740 kg
Actual mass of the vehicle: 2.883 kg

Anyways, just my 2c

COC:
Mass in running order: 2.740 kg
Actual mass of the vehicle: 2.864 kg

 

[DCPU]

COC:
Mass in running order: 2.740 kg
Actual mass of the vehicle: 2.864 kg

We need a separate thread to explain/understand all the different weight types listed in the CoC.