Carexpert.com.au review (Australia)

2023 Ineos Grenadier review

Not only does it live up to the original Land Rover Defender brief, the Grenadier goes above and beyond but it's not perfect.

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image added. @Stu_Barnes

 

[Tazzieman]

Sorry to add my opinion but you write real good stuff Les

 

[AnD3rew]

I am lucky to be a quick learner
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Nice, my verbal and abstract reasoning are not far off yours, but I still write like shit, numerical let’s not talk about.

 

[AnD3rew]

Yes I understand but so little attention to detail in the writing and even in the technical details further down
It was cleared up 12 months ago that we were getting the 50mm 2" tow hitch but he still lists the 1"7/8
He has a Bachelors Degree and is a a part time uni professor.

It’s not great for a professional writer, but one of the increasingly big problems is that even the big publications have been doing away with their sub editors who used to do all the tidying up and checking, many of these online publications have zero editorial and their writers are often part time, doing other jobs as well. Not really an excuse but it does go some way to understand why it’s happening.

 

[AnD3rew]

Sorry to add my opinion but you write real good stuff Les

Agree

 

[emax]

and is a a part time uni professor.

That explains it all.

 

[emax]

Although I was very good in mathematics and top of the class in physics, I had to repeat two of the higher classes in high school because I was too bad in two subjects.

The first was Latin. And I still speak it badly.

The second was English.

 

[Trialmaster]

TOTAL THREAD DRIFT.

On topic, maybe the wiper arms can be relocated on their splines for a better screen coverage for RHD vehicles.

My only concern is the comment on build quality.

 

[Tazzieman]

maybe the wiper arms can be relocated on their splines

Just be the grub screw unless there is some special factory fastener + tool.
If it's even a problem. If you've ever driven a Series Landy it'll be a 1000% improvement on that 1930s setup.

 

[emax]

TOTAL THREAD DRIFT.

On topic, maybe the wiper arms can be relocated on their splines for a better screen coverage for RHD vehicles.

Seems you missed the on topic part of this thread:

The windshield wipers are arranged individually for LHD and RHD.

 

[DaveB]

TOTAL THREAD DRIFT.

On topic, maybe the wiper arms can be relocated on their splines for a better screen coverage for RHD vehicles.

My only concern is the comment on build quality.

Not a total thread drift at all.
My comments, and those that followed, point to ow much weight and concern you give to his article as he shows very little attention to detail and poor wording is often caused by copy pate errors and regurgitating other material.
Coupled with the fact that he doesn't seem to know a lot about robust 4wds.
so he may be comparing build quality of the prototypes with a mass produced Toyota or Mercedes.

 

[Trialmaster]

Well I disagree Dave. But I can agree to disagree.

So you are saying that he is poor journalist and I should ignore his copy? To be honest, I will make my own judgement of the vehicle when I drive the demo.

 

[Shopkeep]

Not a total thread drift at all.
My comments, and those that followed, point to ow much weight and concern you give to his article as he shows very little attention to detail and poor wording is often caused by copy pate errors and regurgitating other material.
Coupled with the fact that he doesn't seem to know a lot about robust 4wds.
so he may be comparing build quality of the prototypes with a mass produced Toyota or Mercedes.

Were the cars driven on this launch PTO or final customer spec cars? Either way these would have been gone over inch by inch many times by Ineos to make sure they were perfect, if they subsequently developed quality issues then I think that is relevant and worthy of comment. If the door mechanism froze in a mildly cold environment then I think that suggests it needs review, will not be an issue in OZ but no point having the worlds most capable 4WD if you can't open the door in the colder areas of the northern hemisphere. Unless I am mistaken none of us have driven it for an extended time in an urban environment, the feedback regarding the steering feel and engine type was good to read and be aware of.

I thought it was a well balanced and informative review that raised some minor issues but otherwise was very positive about the car and gave it an excellent overall score.

 

[Wayneos]

He has a Bachelors Degree and is a a part time uni professor.

That means sweet FA these days Dave!

 

[DaveB]

Well I disagree Dave. But I can agree to disagree.

So you are saying that he is poor journalist and I should ignore his copy? To be honest, I will make my own judgement of the vehicle when I drive the demo.

I am definitely not saying he is a poor journalist Or that you should ignore anything
I agree with you that making your own judgement is 100% the best decision.
We can definitely agree or disagree without any negativity or animosity involved.
It is normal to disagree on topics n life

 

[Alex7]

I am feeling quite happy with this review. Having a LHD vehicle I will not have a problem with the footrest and the viper on the RH side. Not too much driving in the city and being used to older cars I will not have a problem with the steering. Having confidence in the Ineos team I am hoping to have the niggles of the press and PT cars solved already on the first serial customer cars. All the other statements were positive and stated exactly what I was expecting. And being an early buyer I will get it at the initial pricing. What more can I want?! So if it now will still take a couple of days more or not to get it into my my hands, will not make me nervous or frustrated.

 

[Wayneos]

On topic, maybe the wiper arms can be relocated on their splines for a better screen coverage for RHD vehicles.

Thinking the same thing, remove them, clock them around a notch or two and you're good to go. Mind you that will only wipe a little more off the top right corner (seen from inside RHD).

 

[Solmanic]

"From an on-road perspective, the Grenadier rode exceptionally well, even on poorly surfaced roads. There is no doubt that you can drive this vehicle in the city and it will do an excellent job of keeping you happy and comfortable."

This is the big thing I, and a lot of others, have been waiting anxiously to read.

And the wipers can never be as bad as those on an original Defender. At least it looks like they park fully down, not up at a 45 degree angle.

 

[CEMechanic]

"From an on-road perspective, the Grenadier rode exceptionally well, even on poorly surfaced roads. There is no doubt that you can drive this vehicle in the city and it will do an excellent job of keeping you happy and comfortable."

This is the big thing I, and a lot of others, have been waiting anxiously to read.

And the wipers can never be as bad as those on an original Defender. At least it looks like they park fully down, not up at a 45 degree angle.

I believe we will see the same (not wiped) blind spot on the LHD vehicle as we read about on the RHD. When looking at the picture you can just see the outline of the wiped area. The picture of my old Defender, albeit RHD, in my earlier post shows that it has a similar blind spot. There is only that much that can be done with the geometry of the wiper arms, it will remain a compromise with these relatively low profile windscreens, unless substantially upgrading the wiper system.
Ineos has answered this question for us with the current layout and we need to decide ourselves if this is a show stopper for a purchase or not.

 

[DaveB]

I believe we will see the same (not wiped) blind spot on the LHD vehicle as we read about on the RHD. When looking at the picture you can just see the outline of the wiped area. The picture of my old Defender, albeit RHD, in my earlier post shows that it has a similar blind spot. There is only that much that can be done with the geometry of the wiper arms, it will remain a compromise with these relatively low profile windscreens, unless substantially upgrading the wiper system.
Ineos has answered this question for us with the current layout and we need to decide ourselves if this is a show stopper for a purchase or not.
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I wasn't planning on taking mine out of the garage when it is raining.
I wont be able to sit outside the coffee shop at the mall anyway so no point

 

[Stu_Barnes]

Wipergate is a non issue, at least to me.