bmw/ ineos - s58 engine (running costs out of warranty)

[anand]

well, I would think IG would partner with somebody that would provide more of a service than just handing the car to you.

It won't just be a hand over, the dealership will be a full fledged dealership like you walking into a Porsche dealer or a Nissan dealer (sales, finance, parts, service, etc.).

I've gathered that to be eligible for the franchise the "dealer" must have a handful of other brands that they sell, of similar clientele, as well as a long list of requirements (including after sales support, events, and so on).

As far as working on them, it has specifically been stated that those repairs will be done at Ineos dealerships only, not at BMW. Likewise, if you took your X3 into a Toyota dealership and said "you use the same motor in the Supra, fix it", they'd most likely laugh at you and help you Google the nearest BMW dealership

 

[pioneerofthenile]

The agents are able to provide service and parts. Depending on the agent they are often a part of another brand dealership as well. Mine is ironically a Jaguar/Land Rover dealer.

hmmmm. I wonder who was selected In danbury then. there isn't a LR dealership. but they do have Porsche and Mercedes. as well as less luxurious brands. has Ineos partnered with these dealers in any other sector?

 

[pioneerofthenile]

really wonder if they might go with a boutique sales and service biness that specializes in custom builds and 4x4's

 

[Stu_Barnes]

Were getting way of topic here.

Postulation concerning dealership model and after sales support has been discussed elsewhere ad nauseam

 

[AnD3rew]

really wonder if they might go with a boutique sales and service biness that specializes in custom builds and 4x4's

It’s not a blanket thing. Some here in Australia have been with another major dealer of several other brands. Some have been with specialists

 

[RoyalWulff]

I'm just asking questions.

and one your responses is basically telling me that out of warranty, Audi, LR, and BMW are reliable preowned vehicles.

A huge part of the disconnect comes down to the cost of parts and labor. Toyota are just cheaper to own, thus holding higher residual value.

 

[RoyalWulff]

Time for the ban hammer @Stu_Barnes ?!

 

[DDG]

The B58 is one of the absolute highlights of the Ineos Grenadier petrol engine version. If you have a few hours to spare, I’d recommend taking a trip down that rabbit hole. It’s not much of an exaggeration to state the “the B58 is very likely pinnacle internal combustion engine design”. At the very least it is one of the overall best designs in a long time. The implementation/tuning in the grenadier is also inspired. Taking a proven great engine and using a lower stressed state of tune SHOULD greatly benefit reliability and longevity. That is the stated design plan anyway. One other huge benefit of using this engine design is the sheer number of them in existence. It is used across a large variety of models. To me that means lots of replacements and long term support. Again, goes right in line with the design ethos of the grenadier.
It is true that some (many) BMW models have a frightening depreciation curve, however; I don’t think it’s related in any way to the B58 in particular.

 

[RoyalWulff]

The B58 is one of the absolute highlights of the Ineos Grenadier petrol engine version. If you have a few hours to spare, I’d recommend taking a trip down that rabbit hole. It’s not much of an exaggeration to state the “the B58 is very likely pinnacle internal combustion engine design”. At the very least it is one of the overall best designs in a long time. The implementation/tuning in the grenadier is also inspired. Taking a proven great engine and using a lower stressed state of tune SHOULD greatly benefit reliability and longevity. That is the stated design plan anyway. One other huge benefit of using this engine design is the sheer number of them in existence. It is used across a large variety of models. To me that means lots of replacements and long term support. Again, goes right in line with the design ethos of the grenadier.
It is true that some (many) BMW models have a frightening depreciation curve, however; I don’t think it’s related in any way to the B58 in particular.

I don’t know anything about engines, but I am curious, is more torque and less top-end helpful for engine longevity?

 

[Traffic]

It is true that some (many) BMW models have a frightening depreciation curve, however; I don’t think it’s related in any way to the B58 in particular.

This.

Track enthusiasts have known this for years. You cut out all the crap that's fallen apart leaving a pretty good engine and chassis on the cheap. My last bmw track car had over 170k miles. When I sold it, it dynoed the same power as new with perfect compression and leak down tests. It had been driven almost exclusively on track at or around redline for the prior 20k miles.

 

[globalgregors]

bmw, LR and a few other brands lose 90% value after X amount of years. where as several other reliably built engines/ brands like Toyota

Hmm… the B58 is in the Toyota Supra, so not sure where that takes this premise.

 

[Phillips]

I believe the cost to maintain any vehicle is proportional to the energy required to move it down the road. Tires, fuel filters, air filters, engine wear in general are strongly related to this term in the maintenance equation. Therefore those of us electing to drive heavy vehicles with poor aerodynamics will be spending more that a Prius owner. For me the Grenadier makes sense for the missions; off-reading in Colorado and Utah to some remote campsites. I also am not in a hurry so when I drive 55-60mph at high altitudes I easily best the EPA fuel consumption ratings. (The thinner air does wonders to minimize the impact of poor vehicle shape when it comes to drag losses). Just my two cents worth.

 

[globalgregors]

B58 version tuned to 430 HP if I read correctly, certainly a tougher challenge for the component reliability compared to Grenadier spec.

The higher horsepower ‘O1’ version of the B58 versus the ‘M1’ used in the Grenadier is achieved apparently with optimised flow through a redesigned exhaust manifold and a move to lighter turbo impellers.

I believe they share the same compression ratio and redline.

 

[globalgregors]

I don’t know anything about engines, but I am curious, is more torque and less top-end helpful for engine longevity?

General rule of thumb is that longevity drops with higher compression ratios, a higher RPM redline, and possibly higher injection system pressures. These are items that lean towards increasing power moreso than torque - so yes, basically.

 

[alvan]

Please, let's start ignoring this obvious provocateur. It just waits for our answers to give itself some visibility...