bmw/ ineos - s58 engine (running costs out of warranty)

[sne]

I am broaching these topics because it's overlooked by most. seems like many of the first people are picking up their IG have had problems and the service has been inadequate thus far

at some point everyone that buys an ineos will have to encounter fixing it, if they keep it long enough. when on that 1-5+yr scale that happens determines a lot. after that 5 years you're left with a realization. you don't know it it will be positive or negative. (it might be much sooner than 5 yrs if your experience has been bad) the jury is still out.

I have been driving German vehicles of different brands and types for more than 40 years, usually between 30.000 and 50.000 kilometres per year. There were brand new and expensive ones like several Mercedes ML and old, used ones like Volkswagen T2 / T3 / T4, Audis, BMW. In all these years I had two severe engine problems, one was my fault, wrong maintenance on a VW T2 build 1975 with 200.000 km and the other was probably also bad
maintenance of a Mercedes /8 200D, at km 700.000 (I was the owner #5). This, obviously my personal statics, makes me quite optimistic for the livetime of the fine BMW 6 cylinder engine, I do not expect any severe problems in the course of my personal residual lifespan and am planning to inherit it, once the time has come. Keep faith in this masterpiece of German engineering.

 

[Fab]

I am broaching these topics because it's overlooked by most.

I agree with you, most of us are quite stupid.
That’s why we want to buy a Grenadier.
I understand from you that you are very intelligent, so you are not likely to make the same mistake.
I suppose you have cancelled your reservation?

the ineos is a tuned 58.......and depreciation and preowned savings definitely come down to engine problems and cost of those parts associated.

bmw, LR and a few other brands lose 90% value after X amount of years. where as several other reliably built engines/ brands like Toyota and Lexus don't lose nearly as much

I always thought that Lexus is Toyota. But I could be wrong, after all I ordered a Grenadier.

 

[Krabby]

I agree with you, most of us are quite stupid.
That’s why we want to buy a Grenadier.
I understand from you that you are very intelligent, so you are not likely to make the same mistake.
I suppose you have cancelled your reservation?

I always thought that Lexus is Toyota. But I could be wrong, after all I ordered a Grenadier.

Lexus is owned by Toyota and in North America it is considered their "luxury" up-market brand (Acura to Honda, Infiniti to Nissan, etc.).

 

[Tom D]

In the USA many Mechanics won’t touch European cars. (My sister lives in Minneapolis and has a Mini) She doesnt want another EU car and is getting a Ford Bronco. So I can see why buyers would be wary of EU cars. That said the BMW’s here do hold their value quite well. So it might just be a USA issue. In its Grenadier form that engine ought to be good for a LOT of miles, Its de-tuned for longevity. The B58 diesel is a popular conversion for old Land Rovers and RR classics as it was a reliable lump, there’s quite a few companies over here doing them. The donor engines often have fairly high miles too.

 

[DaBull]

c'mon dude...most of the pre-owned bmw, LR, out of warranty cars are a crapshoot of reliability coupled with insane repair costs once something goes wrong. old tech is an inconsequential reason why they're readily available at a hugely discounted price.

I'm not going to argue s/58 b/58 or 58. I'm not even going to argue that the engine isn't a great choice in the IG. that still doesn't change the fact that the engine is a BMW. and once something goes wrong with it you have to have to take it to BMW or a mechanic that knows it, and replace it with BMW parts. sure it's not going to be a problem until the 5 yr 60k miles is over but it's still something to consider.

My wife has a 1984 BMW 318i that is now 40 years old as of June 2023. Still running great!
I have owned 3 Jeep Grand Cherokee's, 3 Range Rover Sports and 1 Land Rover Defender.
I have had no major issues with any of them and found them to be extremely reliable. May not be everyone's
experience, however for me it's been great and I would highly recommend them to anyone.
I have seen the build quality of the Grenadier and test drove a prototype. From my years of experience,
I would have to initially say, the Grenadier is likely to be an exceptional vehicle and stand the test of time.
Yes, it is new and there are a few software glitches, all of which will most likely get sorted out soon.
In my humble opinion, anyone wavering on not buying the Grenadier is going to look back and regret it.
DaBull

 

[Norb-TX]

BMW dealers are notorious for exaggerated costs. So bad that BMW itself started giving free maintenance on new BMWs sold, to bypass dealership shenanigans. I will say that sometimes BMW shoots itself in the foot, like having to disassemble half the engine just to change the air filters? My M5 has a well known leaking expansion tank, because it located right next to the hot turbos, which they placed inside the V! Early direct inject BMW engines were also known for carbon buildup on the valves.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

Lexus is owned by Toyota and in North America it is considered their "luxury" up-market brand (Acura to Honda, Infiniti to Nissan, etc.).

No Acura in Europe. The NSX is a Honda

 

[alvan]

many think this engine is a HR. one of the best engines that BMW has ever made. YO even used it in one of their cars as well.

but if this engine is so great why can you buy a pre-owned bmw that has one for such a great savings? (there's no mad rush to gobble these up) plus there's no denying that pre owned bmw prices crater something awful.

if peeps are afraid of (out of warranty) high cost repairs in a BMW why wouldn't they feel the same way with the ineos?

Between the comic and the pathetic... perhaps better, masochistic, because reading his profile, 'reservation holder', and reading his comments, makes you wonder what he is looking for in life. A curiosity... can we have your reservation number? If it exists I confirm what is written above

 

[Krabby]

No Acura in Europe. The NSX is a Honda

Notice is said "IN NORTH AMERICA," @Stu_Barnes Jeeze man. Don't forget what side of the pond you're on laddie!

 

[anand]

Early direct inject BMW engines were also known for carbon buildup on the valves.

To be fair here, pretty much every direct injection vehicle is known for carbon build up on the valves; if not globally, at least all of the European brands.

Additionally, at least we won't be dealing with BMW dealerships for anything!

 

[Fab]

c'mon dude...most of the pre-owned bmw, LR, out of warranty cars are a crapshoot of reliability coupled with insane repair costs once something goes wrong. old tech is an inconsequential reason why they're readily available at a hugely discounted price.

I'm not going to argue s/58 b/58 or 58. I'm not even going to argue that the engine isn't a great choice in the IG. that still doesn't change the fact that the engine is a BMW. and once something goes wrong with it you have to have to take it to BMW or a mechanic that knows it, and replace it with BMW parts. sure it's not going to be a problem until the 5 yr 60k miles is over but it's still something to consider.

Hey dude, the X5 is very popular in the states. I see no problem there.

 

[Norb-TX]

To be fair here, pretty much every direct injection vehicle is known for carbon build up on the valves; if not globally, at least all of the European brands.

Additionally, at least we won't be dealing with BMW dealerships for anything!

True, and that's why the new version of B58 has dual injection. We're not getting it though.

 

[DaveB]

many think this engine is a HR. one of the best engines that BMW has ever made. YO even used it in one of their cars as well.

but if this engine is so great why can you buy a pre-owned bmw that has one for such a great savings? (there's no mad rush to gobble these up) plus there's no denying that pre owned bmw prices crater something awful.

if peeps are afraid of (out of warranty) high cost repairs in a BMW why wouldn't they feel the same way with the ineos?

 

[DaveB]

the ineos is a tuned 58.......and depreciation and preowned savings definitely come down to engine problems and cost of those parts associated.

bmw, LR and a few other brands lose 90% value after X amount of years. where as several other reliably built engines/ brands like Toyota and Lexus don't lose nearly as much

My god you write a load of shit

 

[pioneerofthenile]

My god you write a load of shit

almost 5000 posts in 2 months. well done........now on your bike.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

True, and that's why the new version of B58 has dual injection. We're not getting it though.

Walnut blasting, pretty standard now, I still have my dodgy BMW setup that I modified for the Land Rover which will work.

 

[pioneerofthenile]

Hey dude, the X5 is very popular in the states. I see no problem there.

yeah,..I know it's popular, but many people don't buy them out of warranty for fear of costly repairs.

they should hold their value better, especially if the engine is great. but they don't. again...this might be a usa thing. but it's a thing nonetheless

 

[DaveB]

almost 5000 posts in 2 months. well done........now on your bike.

2 Months????

 

[pioneerofthenile]

2 Months????

please don't post in my thread unless you can be cordial or bring something other than hostility.

you lead the grenadier forum in posts.

maybe you should log out and get a life.

 

[emax]

DFTT.