Sir Jim pours more money into Ineos Automotive.

parb · Oct 26, 2024

That is commitment right there

MattA · Oct 27, 2024

Reassuring for the future , happy days

Michael_in_Baja · Oct 27, 2024

Belstaff jackets for all!

Cheshire cat · Oct 27, 2024

NQ94 said:
From the Independent,

Man United owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe pours nearly £600m into his car project
Ineos Automotive, which makes the Grenadier offroader, now owes the rest of Sir Jim’s chemical-making empire €2.43bn after it borrowed €710m more

Howard Mustoe
1 day ago

Business | The Independent

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Not such a well researched article as it mentions the Fusilier being due in 2028.

Tazzieman · Oct 27, 2024

Cheshire cat said:
Not such a well researched article as it mentions the Fusilier being due in 2028.

Who knows, or dares to dream....

GN4HIR · Oct 27, 2024

Do we know the current total production of IGs? Divide 3.14bn invested by IA by the number of vehicles built... I'm guessing I got a good deal on my unit.

ADVAW8S · Oct 27, 2024

Tazzieman said:
Who knows, or dares to dream....

Everyone is going wild here in the US because Scout automotive is releasing their EV pick up and SUV with a range extender motor. Goes from 350 EV to 500 with Range extender. May Jim says not worry about the EU but America could be interested.

AWo · Oct 27, 2024

Cheshire cat said:
Not such a well researched article as it mentions the Fusilier being due in 2028.

The article refers to last year, not now. Yes, strange that with the Fusilier. I would not call it that enthusiastic "commitment" as this was money from the chemical part, not his private money. Ask the chemical people what they would have needed the money for...And it shows what I have said, IA lacks money. That was the third money transfer from the chemical business to IA.

AWo

Baron von Teuchter · Oct 27, 2024

AWo said:
The article refers to last year, not now. Yes, strange that with the Fusilier. I would not call it that enthusiastic "commitment" as this was money from the chemical part, not his private money. Ask the chemical people what they would have needed the money for...And it shows what I have said, IA lacks money. That was the third money transfer from the chemical business to IA.

AWo

I seriously doubt he used any personal funds to set up IAL, he owns a significant portion of the Ineos group - it will all be group money.

Tazzieman · Oct 27, 2024

Baron von Teuchter said:
I seriously doubt he used any personal funds to set up IAL, he owns a significant portion of the Ineos group - it will all be group money.

I'm just grateful he doesn't blow his wealth on golf courses and drinking/smoking coke.
Why use your personal cash when the whole business can feed itself?
https://www.thegentlemansjournal.com/article/jim-ratcliffe-ineos-manchester-united-interview/

AWo · Oct 27, 2024

Of course...and the group suffers. And reading that there was a need to fund IA again is not a good sign, at least for me

For me it seems that Ineos chemicals is shifting to the US and Asia. Ratcliffe likes Trump and maybe he hopes on his election which presumably would make his business easier. Less regulations, etc. The site which makes profit in the EU today is one which imports cheap fracking gas from the US. His son will take over more responsibilities in the US business. In Asia is this renewed partnership with Sinopec and they build plants there. There were some press releases where JR has critizized and warned the EU council.

He can not drop IA or he looses his face. 15 years ago his face was unknown even to the majority of Ineos employees, he was just "a name". Nowadays his face is so much linked to projects of his private interest, especially the Grenadier. But the chemical sites always pay. That sums up to a pretty big number...

- Hotels around the worls
- Airline
- Soccer clubs incl. ManU and OCG Nizza
- NZ All Blacks (corrected 10-28-2024, AWo)
- many land purchases on Iceland
- National Parc in Tanzania
- Formula 1 Team
- Team Britannia (€50 Mio. starting fee per year)
- Cycling Team "The Grenadiers"
- London Business School

All that was possible because the chemical section earned good money. He should be careful not to dry out his source of wealth and cut their funds off to pay his "projects". Because all above only costs money, incl. IA. The press articled referred to here shows that. Again.

AWo

Dual Grenny Guy · Oct 27, 2024

Me personally, I can’t wait for 2025 when the production starts back up and then waiting another 5 plus years later reading about the same detractors saying the brand is still going under.

We will see who prevails, and in MY heart and mind I honestly feel it will be the Ineos Grenadier! I believe it will be a vehicle to last many years/decades. I have never seen a product have such a large number of people wanting it to fail. The negative people, I won’t name you but we all know who they are, will say they don’t feel that way. However, you all must not be reading your own posts.

I will end with this, regardless of who turns out to be right, I will own at least 2 of the coolest vehicles on the planet and will have them until I’m gone. Now all you non-owning negative posters come at me with ya best shot……

Edit: btw Grenadier owners aren’t you all pleased to read this article as it appears for now Sir. Jim is not gonna let this project go down? I personally don’t care where the money comes from (personal funds, other businesses under the same umbrella, new business partner, a loan shark

), as it shows his commitment to the Grenadier. Hell if he does open a plant in the USA I may even come out of retirement to go to work for Ineos, well that’s if they don’t do a psych eval on possible new hires…..

Dual Grenny Guy · Oct 27, 2024

MattA said:
Reassuring for the future , happy days

Well are you a buyer now?

Trialmaster · Oct 27, 2024

If you want a laugh read, the comments to the Independent Article.

Dual Grenny Guy · Oct 27, 2024

Trialmaster said:
If you want a laugh read, the comments to the Independent Article.

I did not even do that until you said it and OMG!! I’m not surprised. I really think there are people on this forum and anywhere that posts anything about this brand that they are either paid to bash it or they have decided they will not own one and no one else should either. The misinformation is astonishing. I know Google isn’t the truth sayer, but come on one poster said “Since the Grenadier is mainly Chinese components…”.

Jean Mercier · Oct 27, 2024

Dual Grenny Guy said:
I did not even do that until you said it and OMG!! I’m not surprised. I really think there are people on this forum and anywhere that posts anything about this brand that they are either paid to bash it or they have decided they will not own one and no one else should either. The misinformation is astonishing. I know Google isn’t the truth sayer, but come on one poster said “Since the Grenadier is mainly Chinese components…”.

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It isn't a Chinese car indeed, with parts from Mexico, Hungary, Germany, UK, Italy, Indonesia, Spain, etc. Even something made by a Belgian multinational, but I don't know in which country.

But indeed there are also Chinese parts in the car, like in any mobile phone or electronic equipment.
See this picture I posted a long time ago:

20230514_115007.jpg

www.theineosforum.com

For instance, even my seatbelts have a "made in China" label on it.

TerryS · Oct 27, 2024

AWo said:
Of course...and the group suffers. And reading that there was a need to fund IA again is not a good sign, at least for me

For me it seems that Ineos chemicals is shifting to the US and Asia. Ratcliffe likes Trump and maybe he hopes on his election which presumably would make his business easier. Less regulations, etc. The site which makes profit in the EU today is one which imports cheap fracking gas from the US. His son will take over more responsibilities in the US business. In Asia is this renewed partnership with Sinopec and they build plants there. There were some press releases where JR has critizized and warned the EU council.

He can not drop IA or he looses his face. 15 years ago his face was unknown even to the majority of Ineos employees, he was just "a name". Nowadays his face is so much linked to projects of his private interest, especially the Grenadier. But the chemical sites always pay. That sums up to a pretty big number...

- Hotels around the worls
- Airline
- Soccer clubs incl. ManU and OCG Nizza
- Australian All Blacks
- many land purchases on Iceland
- National Parc in Tanzania
- Formula 1 Team
- Team Britannia (€50 Mio. starting fee per year)
- Cycling Team "The Grenadiers"
- London Business School

All that was possible because the chemical section earned good money. He should be careful not to dry out his source of wealth and cut their funds off to pay his "projects". Because all above only costs money, incl. IA. The press articled referred to here shows that. Again.

AWo

Dual Grenny Guy · Oct 27, 2024

Jean Mercier said:
It isn't a Chinese car indeed, with parts from Mexico, Hungary, Germany, UK, Italy, Indonesia, Spain, etc. Even something made by a Belgian multinational, but I don't know in which country.

But indeed there are also Chinese parts in the car, like in any mobile phone or electronic equipment.
See this picture I posted a long time ago:

20230514_115007.jpg

www.theineosforum.com

For instance, even my seatbelts have a "made in China" label on it.

Ha, I was literally trying to find any part in them made by China as I know nowadays you can’t have a vehicle or large anything made without something from there. I never noticed that about the seatbelts and I wear one whenever I drive the Grenny’s. Gonna have to look closer next time. But a couple of pieces is a far cry from the entire vehicle made up of pieces from China. One of the main reasons I original purchased the first one was due to it being a “Lego” suv made up of the best components from around the world (Carraro, Brembo, Bilstein, Bosch, Eaton, Tremec, BMW, Zf group, Recaro-yea I know, and so on)……

TerryS said:
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One of the best replies I’ve seen on here!!!

Eric · Oct 27, 2024

Jean Mercier said:
It isn't a Chinese car indeed, with parts from Mexico, Hungary, Germany, UK, Italy, Indonesia, Spain, etc. Even something made by a Belgian multinational, but I don't know in which country.

But indeed there are also Chinese parts in the car, like in any mobile phone or electronic equipment.
See this picture I posted a long time ago:

20230514_115007.jpg

www.theineosforum.com

For instance, even my seatbelts have a "made in China" label on it.

Indeed the head infomat system is made by Neusoft, a Chinese company

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