Leverage is to exert a force to an advantage, If nothing the buyer does creates an advantage, the buyer does not have leverage. The second statement is therefore a non sequitur to the first. It has nothing to do with the dynamic between two parties voluntarily engaged in a transaction and seeking advantage.
Thats because this statement is a non sequitur and as such cannot be "known".
Hi Joefly78 I can respect your decision. If you thinking of getting one reasonable, now is the time to act. Once the public starts to see the Grenadiers driving around, demand will likely go through the roof. That's exactly what happened with the New 2020 Defenders. I struck fast and got a First Edition Model for $1,000 under MSRP and then prices shot up $15K plus for years. If you still want a Grenadier, the sweet time to strike may be now, otherwise be prepared to wait 2+ years to get one. DaBullAnecdotally, I have cancelled my order. I decided to wait out some of the problems the early adopters are having. Within the last two months, I've run into two other people here in Atlanta that cancelled theirs as well for the same reasons. Now, we all eagerly signed up for the first deliveries and researched our initial order and subsequent cancelation decisions carefully based on information available (actual fitness for purpose, communications from Ineos, stories about problems going unfixed) and thought it worthwhile to sit on the sidelines for a year or two. We were, I think, educated buyers. The vision that we were so excited about just wasn't materializing.
My guess is that those that buy our vehicles on the lot won't have made nearly the effort in researching the car as we did. When they get a hold of it and think it's going to be like owning any other car, they might be disappointed, perhaps even upset. There are just too many idiosyncrasies and patience-testing shortcomings that even the enthusiasts on this site grapple with.
The casual buyer that thinks this thing is "cool" isn't going to have the appetite for a $910 key that fits poorly into a cheap feeling ignition. Or incessant clicking from ADAS. Or water in the footwell. My hunch is that you're going to see a lot of these on the market in the next year or two at significant discounts. I'd wait it out and go used if you want to optimize your purchase price. That's my plan anyway. Still want one bad.
Mohs, can you elaborate on what you were expecting vs. what you got? I was all in until the wife saw the dash picture and the lack of gauge console directly in front of the steering wheel. I originally thought Ineos would have designed a modular dash pod that would have been fitted in front of the steering wheel regardless which side of the car it was on, with the center video screen as an adjunct. Until this is addressed, if ever, I have to sit on the sidelines.
I don't get it? You can just drive with an unobstructed view! If I really want to know how fast I'm going, it's right there (literally to the right of my right hand). If that is what's holding you up, go for a test drive before you miss the boat.Mohs, can you elaborate on what you were expecting vs. what you got? I was all in until the wife saw the dash picture and the lack of gauge console directly in front of the steering wheel. I originally thought Ineos would have designed a modular dash pod that would have been fitted in front of the steering wheel regardless which side of the car it was on, with the center video screen as an adjunct. Until this is addressed, if ever, I have to sit on the sidelines.
Thanks DaBull. I kind of hope you are right and I eat my words. I'm really rooting for this venture to succeed, even if I get priced out. Heck, I even went to the Grenadier Pub in London twice over Christmas. If any of you guys are over there, it's worth a stop. Great food, inexpensive drinks and the original Grenadier sketch framed on the wall.
My plan is that when an aftermarket Speedo gauge pod becomes available for install then this will become a non-issue and I can order…
Unless it's a seller's market
The way my wife drives, ADAS would find it impossible to keep up, causing the computer to burn up. But I would be interested to see the two get into a altercation - I know who’d win, and I’d be carless…
remember that Ineos has an extremely limited manufacturing capacity
I think a lot of people who "want one" actually only want "the idea" of one, or "the fantasy" of one, not "the reality" of one.Anecdotally, I have cancelled my order. I decided to wait out some of the problems the early adopters are having. Within the last two months, I've run into two other people here in Atlanta that cancelled theirs as well for the same reasons. Now, we all eagerly signed up for the first deliveries and researched our initial order and subsequent cancelation decisions carefully based on information available (actual fitness for purpose, communications from Ineos, stories about problems going unfixed) and thought it worthwhile to sit on the sidelines for a year or two. We were, I think, educated buyers. The vision that we were so excited about just wasn't materializing.
My guess is that those that buy our vehicles on the lot won't have made nearly the effort in researching the car as we did. When they get a hold of it and think it's going to be like owning any other car, they might be disappointed, perhaps even upset. There are just too many idiosyncrasies and patience-testing shortcomings that even the enthusiasts on this site grapple with.
The casual buyer that thinks this thing is "cool" isn't going to have the appetite for a $910 key that fits poorly into a cheap feeling ignition. Or incessant clicking from ADAS. Or water in the footwell. My hunch is that you're going to see a lot of these on the market in the next year or two at significant discounts. I'd wait it out and go used if you want to optimize your purchase price. That's my plan anyway. Still want one bad.
Nah. Gold
Absolutely not true when buying a vehicle today. In Canada, at least, some dealers (not INEOS so far) are refusing cash because they have buyers lined up who will lease or finance. Dealers get additional kickbacks from the financier. Dealers make less money with a cash sale. So cash walks and leases talk. It’s a different world now.
Yes it is odd at first but now I don't know how I can go "back" ... at least my 96 Discovery is all analog. Incredible how dark it is when driving at night and thus how easy it is on the eyes not to be constantly fighting (even at very dim) light intrusion into your field of view driving down the road.Mohs, can you elaborate on what you were expecting vs. what you got? I was all in until the wife saw the dash picture and the lack of gauge console directly in front of the steering wheel. I originally thought Ineos would have designed a modular dash pod that would have been fitted in front of the steering wheel regardless which side of the car it was on, with the center video screen as an adjunct. Until this is addressed, if ever, I have to sit on the sidelines.
Afraid the "Pub" is being turned into an upscale posh eatery
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