Ineos Fusilier

Stu_Barnes said:

No, that would be this

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Perhaps we could unite Land Rover and Ineos by having Land Rover supply their 48 volt mild hybrid performance busting P400 straight 6 with 395HP for the Grenadier. My New Defender is 0-60 in 5.9 seconds. The 48 volt battery pack spins up the super charger to 65,000 rpm in less than a 1/2 second. It's an amazing engine. DaBull

holdmybeer said:

Yeah, I'd love a diesel choice here in North America.

Until then ... Grenadier Range Extenders come in your choice of size and colours.

No factory or dealer installation required. Available everywhere. Also compatible with any gas motor made in the last century.


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Modern diesels makes zero sense in NA.

Why buy Lego blocks when you can get real range extenders?

Bruce said:

Looks like Magna is building it in Graz, which certainly adds to the cost.

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I think they might assist in building the Quartermaster in Canada also. I think I read that somewhere.

Just doesn’t add up to me, I know they kind of have to do this for the emissions balancing etc, but in order for that to work they will actually have to sell some. If it is lower and heavier and smaller than a Grenadier it won’t be very useful offroad, so that’s that group of buyers out. Its smaller so it won’t likely have 7 seats or big load capacity so thats the SUV and people mover buyers out. So that puts you in just the electric runabout category and its going to be more expensive than a Grenadier which is already expensive so it will be double the price of a ton of quite interesting and tasty competition in the EV runabout category. It just doesn’t add up. And to be honest it’s a little worrying. INEOS needs this to work in order to keep making and developing Grenadiers and Quartemasters. It isn’t great news for the rest of us if it fails.

AnD3rew said:

Just doesn’t add up to me, I know they kind of have to do this for the emissions balancing etc, but in order for that to work they will actually have to sell some. If it is lower and heavier and smaller than a Grenadier it won’t be very useful offroad, so that’s that group of buyers out. Its smaller so it won’t likely have 7 seats or big load capacity so thats the SUV and people mover buyers out. So that puts you in just the electric runabout category and its going to be more expensive than a Grenadier which is already expensive so it will be double the price of a ton of quite interesting and tasty competition in the EV runabout category. It just doesn’t add up. And to be honest it’s a little worrying. INEOS needs this to work in order to keep making and developing Grenadiers and Quartemasters. It isn’t great news for the rest of us if it fails.

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But will it be heavier?

“It will be built on a bespoke skateboard platform with a steel top hat and underbody, and aluminium doors and closures.”

So monocoque and no steel chassis. I bet the panel gauge will be much less as well.

As for the price being more, I’ll wait on that front. My money is on it being much cheaper.

But they need this to offset fleet emissions. It will be interesting to see which markets that take this to.

Stu_Barnes said:

But will it be heavier?

“It will be built on a bespoke skateboard platform with a steel top hat and underbody, and aluminium doors and closures.”

So monocoque and no steel chassis. I bet the panel gauge will be much less as well.

As for the price being more, I’ll wait on that front. My money is on it being much cheaper.

But they need this to offset fleet emissions. It will be interesting to see which markets that take this to.

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I am just going on what others have said. I too was surprised when people said it will be heavier and more expensive.

Stu_Barnes said:

It will be interesting to see which markets that take this to.

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Beverly Hills, Milan, Dubai, Macau, Cannes, South Beach, etc...

AnD3rew said:

I am just going on what others have said. I too was surprised when people said it will be heavier and more expensive.

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Totally agree. If it’s heavier and smaller and more expensive it will go the way of the Aston Cygnet I think.

Bruce said:

Beverly Hills, Milan, Dubai, Macau, Cannes, South Beach, etc...

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For that it will have to go upmarket quite a lot. Dual zone ac and heated steering wheel with illuminated sun visor mirrors for starters

Stu_Barnes said:

Totally agree. If it’s heavier and smaller and more expensive it will go the way of the Aston Cygnet I think.

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So many EV choices now and coming. Fo an EV city car no need to have something 4wd shaped

AnD3rew said:

So many EV choices now and coming. Fo an EV city car no need to have something 4wd shaped

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I can’t wait for the video of it pulling a Grenadier out of the mud because of its “better”computer controlled independently driven 4 wheel traction control.

Stu_Barnes said:

For that it will have to go upmarket quite a lot. Dual zone ac and heated steering wheel with illuminated sun visor mirrors for starters

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And electric side steps, true premium audio, and a panoramic roof. And you can't forget the ventilated butt massagers like the new GX. If they aren't spending on overbuilt axles and transfer case they should have the financial wiggle room to squeeze some of those in.

Zero interest from me.

It reminds me, when I went for my test drive my dealer hinted that there would be something coming that would a bit more like a Jimny. Smaller, lighter, short wheel base. Less off-road capable but easier around town. Lucky for him that description didn’t interest me one bit. This doesn’t seem like a good description of what this is either though. It’s.. fine I guess. I don’t really understand it.

I have read suggestions that ineos need to manufacture a back to basics (nothing fancy at all) vehicle to make greater sales. Alternatively they create a luxury market to give the original GRENADIER the appearance of back to basics makes more sense. As in a modern world the grenadier is back to basics. People seem to forget car companies must keep up with modern tech.

It will grab those people who baulked at buying the Grenadier because of its HUGE footrest and tiny cup holders and GINORMOUS turning circle .
Soccer dads

I texted my wife to see what she thinks... She's much more down on it than I am.

Plastic bumpers, painted fender flares, built in side steps. No thanks.

The fact it's being built at magna. I'm going to say it's the same platform as the supposed electric mini g wagon or full sized g

Stu_Barnes said:

I can’t wait for the video of it pulling a Grenadier out of the mud because of its “better”computer controlled independently driven 4 wheel traction control.

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Never happen!

If a Grenadier is bogged, it’s already way beyond the range of the Fusilier.

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Very happy to share that today the all-new INEOS Fusilier had been unveiled by Sir Jim Ratcliffe at The Grenadier pub in London.

INEOS Automotive has unveiled its brand new 4X4 vehicle, the INEOS Fusilier, following the confirmation of a zero-emission model line in May 2022. The new vehicle will deliver world-class off-road capability, with zero compromise to on-road performance, and offers both zero and low emission options.

Unveiled in London by Sir Jim Ratcliffe, it was confirmed that alongside the previously announced all-electric powertrain (BEV), a low emission range-extender electric is in development to ensure the INEOS Fusilier meets the broadest range of global consumer needs whilst pushing towards decarbonisation. The range-extender option consists of a small petrol engine that powers a generator to maintain the charge level of the battery for when external charging isn’t available. Confirmation of the alternative powertrain details and launch timings are expected by autumn 2024.

Sir Jim Ratcliffe, Chairman of INEOS says, “As we developed this vehicle, we quickly concluded that in order to move towards decarbonisation but continue making cars that consumers want to drive, we need a mix of powertrain technologies. BEVs are perfect for certain uses: shorter trips and urban deliveries, but industry and governments need to have realistic expectations around other technologies that can help accelerate the necessary pace of change. That is the reason we are offering an additional powertrain for the Fusilier, one that dramatically reduces emissions but has the range and refuelling capabilities needed.”

Developed in conjunction with industry-leading automotive supplier, Magna, which will also manufacture the vehicle in its facility in Graz, Austria, the INEOS Fusilier will represent a unique proposition for customers. Building on the Grenadier’s DNA with a modern direction and distinctive identity, the new 4X4 will be slightly shorter in length and slightly lower in height. It will be built on a bespoke skateboard platform with a steel top hat and underbody, and aluminium doors and closures.

INEOS partnered with Magna on the development of the Grenadier station wagon and Quartermaster pick-up. As one of the world’s largest automotive suppliers and independent contract manufacturers, Magna produces a number of conventional ICE, hybrid and electric vehicles for various automakers. Part of the development process for the INEOS Fusilier will include a rigorous testing programme on Austria's Schöckl mountain, close to Magna's complete vehicle assembly facility in Graz."