I have no skin in the debate - but I highly doubt that Toyota given their almost mythical focus on quality (Lexus and Toyota rank #1 and #2 by as the best auto marques) to suddenly say ‘screw it, let’s not make the next LC last as long as the previous generation.’
Not to derail thread, but that’s not totally true. In OC about 130 million gallons/day of wastewater is recycled back to drinking water for the last 10 years. Most large municipalities on Cali are working to build similar systems around the state. Also a lot of the rainwater captured behind Prado dam is recycled back into the aquifer to be used as drinking water in OC and has been managed like this since the 1940’s. Not as good as it could be for sure, but it’s something.
I was thinking more about LA - where the news is showing pictures of people drinking out of a toilet just to get everyone upset/for effect. Sorry for the generalizaton. Almost can't blame them folks against its- LA is such a disaster from a management standpoint of a big city - not sure I'd trust much the city does. OC certainly has been ahead of so many other places in CA.
Here’s what Ineos have to compete with for the utility vehicle market in Namibia. Built tough.
I’m told they are selling well in Namibia. One safari company has bought some and ordered more
Given that Ratcliffe's business is (and his wealth comes from) the industrial Chemicals world, I've always assumed that he saw the major volume market for the Grenadier as being in the pipeline, power, and other industrial segments... and that the early adopters (the folks on this forumn) as self-financing cash test dummies whose purpose was to put on the miles, see what breaks and then fix in manufacturing run V2.0I’d like to some Grenadier’s used by utility companies. 12 yrs of my life building power lines using Landrovers and many other makes. We all had 4x4 training as part of the job but those vehicles got abused and worked very hard. Only time will tell if the Grenadier is going to be durable long term.
Once some of these safari companies get them and use them as they go the Defenders and landcruisers, along with utility companies for example building power lines, then that will be the proof of the pudding.
So far I’ve been loaded for the 18k km + of my journey so far and engine, transmission and suspension are rock solid
Well that's good news, l didn't expect that but the Grenadier will surely make a superb safari vehicle.
That is an interesting point, driving an essentially commercial vehicle into a market that are enthusiasts who look after their vehicles very well and are the furthest from commercial use to test what breaks or improvements required to be made. Possibly a good strategy as the private buyer does not have the same use profile, apply the same pressures and time constraints as commercial fleets to remedy issues.
Not even close.
Easier to say now but in Jul2023, when I posted the question, the truck wasn’t even out yet.
Interesting idea about the V8 but from what I learned about the ND V8, I don’t think IG will produce one. I was seriously considering buying the V8 but when I was optioning it out, I noticed you couldn’t add a roof rack to the V8 ND. When I asked LR why, they explained that the extra weight of the V8 over the I6 (@500lbs, IIRC) affected the GVW enough that the additional weight of the rack plus it’s carry capacity would require to many changes.
I believe Las Vegas has been recycling water for a long time too. Haha It got so "cool and wet" out there last week my niece had to put on a windbreaker.
Boston potable water comes from a freshwater reservoir. Downstream get treated and dumped in the ocean. Recyling might be golf courses.
400hp LA chevy pickups get 15/22. My 2.7t f150 gets 19.2 lifetime combined in hilly stopsign heavy Pitsburgh. The Gren is a heavy brick, but so is a quad cab full size US pickup, and they have a steel parachute in back. The b58 is an undersquare turbo engine also, and that traditionally lends itself to more low end, and an ability to stay out of the turbo with an 8 speed transmission.With the IG being so heavy as it is, I’d imagine the additional weight of the V8 would have a similar affect.…and of course there’s the issue with the already small gas tank
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