Hi Michael, yes there is a difference and they both need switching off for sand driving, they both work by breaking individual wheels which will kill momentum when you need it the most, you are a grenadier owner I am not yet so I was unaware that traction control could not be switched off, but can it be made less reactive ? or will you need to engage the rear diff lock to deactivate it I hope not as that would cause a multitude of other problems.
Hi Steve. I’ve been thinking along the same lines as you. In my last car I could do a long press of the ESC OFF button to disengage traction control as well as ESC, so I’m wondering about the best setup for sand driving in the Grenadier. It’s made all the more difficult by the fact that the owners manual doesn’t even mention traction control, just ESC.
I'm understanding that as my current vehicle has the similar system as the Grenadier.
As you can drive up to 80 kmh in low range that might be a good option on sandHi Steve. I’ve been thinking along the same lines as you. In my last car I could do a long press of the ESC OFF button to disengage traction control as well as ESC, so I’m wondering about the best setup for sand driving in the Grenadier. It’s made all the more difficult by the fact that the owners manual doesn’t even mention traction control, just ESC.
I’m heading off to Stockton Beach (near Newcastle) on Tuesday to do some experimenting, and I’ll report back.
No sorry, I disagree. Traction control is quite different to ESC, you do want ESC off in sand but traction control is still useful. There are a couple of problems with ESC in sand as it reduces engine speed in some situations and reacts to not just wheel speed, but also sideways movement and steering position all of which can be all over the place in sand. Traction control brakes a wheel that is spinning at a higher speed than others to direct power to the ones that do, which is still useful on sand. You want ESC off and traction control on.
Yes, interesting no mention of traction control in the manual but is mentioned that it has it in the brochure. On an aside, do we know if the centre diff can be engaged whilst moving and at what speed (if at all) when in high range? Is handy not having to come to a complete stop when constantly going from bitumen to dirt - no mention in the manual that I can see about this and the centre diff specifically... says to be stationary when going from high to low and the steps required for the front and rear lockers...Hi Steve. I’ve been thinking along the same lines as you. In my last car I could do a long press of the ESC OFF button to disengage traction control as well as ESC, so I’m wondering about the best setup for sand driving in the Grenadier. It’s made all the more difficult by the fact that the owners manual doesn’t even mention traction control, just ESC.
I’m heading off to Stockton Beach (near Newcastle) on Tuesday to do some experimenting, and I’ll report back.
Hi Andrew,
In the Getting to Grips with the Grenadier video, it says that you need to be stopped and in neutral to lock the centre diff, but I’m not sure that's right.
Cheers, guess best to go with this... I've been told in the past by Ineos no need to stop... and then need to stop...
He is extremely thorough - but I was disappointed that he never really concluded which vehicle was the best for the task set! I agree there were statements on certain aspects, but no final conclusion. Very good explanation on live and IRS suspension.Robert P. has asked me to try out lots of combinations …
1. drive in high range
2. high range / off-road mode
3. high range / ESC off
4. low range
5. low range / off-road mode
6. low range / ESC off
He's very thorough.
And of course I’ll be experimenting with different tyre pressures.
I tried it on a dirt road and it slotted straight in.
He did say in a previous video that there was one clear loser in this comparison.Remember that this video is part of a series
This video is part of a series which will cover other aspects such as crawl ratio, so perhaps he's waiting till the end to make his final conclusions.
Yes, but in a previous video mentioned that he would be doing a 4 way comparison with (X) vehicles and that there was one clear looser.
You don't have to engage centre diff if going from bitumen to a dirt road only if the road was particularly slippery or muddy.
I've always engaged centre diff licks on dirt roads; many times I'm glad I could control skidding.
