Steering

BillyBunter said:

In my experience its not an intrinsic flaw in the steering on all cars as I and others have not had this experience. I wonder what could be wrong on those few cars that do seem to drive as described?

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BillyBunter said:

Interesting that some people have steering issues that make them feel unsafe at speed. I have had mine on the motorway and dual carriageways at up to 80mph and did not feel unsafe at all - though 70 feels like a much more comfortable long distance cruise speed if only for the wind noise. When I first picked it up I did not want to go over 60 but that's because I was not used to its bulk at first. I mean, obviously I would not want to take it at speed on a winding B road but that's because it is huge. I certainly do not have this same experience, fortunately.

In my experience its not an intrinsic flaw in the steering on all cars as I and others have not had this experience. I wonder what could be wrong on those few cars that do seem to drive as described?

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Eric said:

It might be useful if people are reporting feeling uncomfortable with the steering they could specify wheel info;
a) Steel or alloy,
b) size 17 or 18
c) tyre manufacturer
d) tyre pressure F and R

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Unimog 406 said:

Update
I have spoken to my agent who has arranged an appointment for me tomorrow Tuesday at 10.00 for a vehicle inspection with my steering issue. I also sent an email to my (reliable) contact at Ineos customer services and copied my agent with the following.

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"I have reported today to my agent Jardine Kent that the steering on my vehicle is dangerous and not fit for purpose. This may be a known problem and there is a remedy available. I am experienced enough not to take chances with my safety and others. The steering is unpredictable when taking evasive action at 50MPH and not safe when attempting to drive a straight line on a motorway in excess 60MPH."

If any of the Forums contributors who have steering concerns as Shaky, Sloany and myself on this issue why not pass on our details of concerned owners vehicles either jointly or privately if prefered?
It would make sense to collectively work together and assist Ineos with access with as much information as is available.
We have all been waiting a long time and want the Grenadier to be a success.

Would any one like to comment.
Graham

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YIPPE said:

I have no issues of feeling unsafe with steering. But the wheel is slightly off, a few degrees clockwise and going straight. Will have adjusted at a service.

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Wayneos said:

I was watching this video and thought the steering marker and/or the steering itself was off from dead 12 o'clock.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBaSQSmD-4g


Thought I would do a quick image check of the alignment of the top steering wheel marker relative to the two small buttons on the steering wheel spokes. They are the reference points.

The two small buttons are dead level (the original screen capture of the video was out by .5 degrees. I rotated the entire image .5 deg to compensate and buttons are now level). With that done, A dead horizontal line (green) through those buttons and two vertical lines through them. Top line centred on the 'marker', also in green.

The red line is dead vertical.

The orange line begins at the bottom, same as the red line and runs up through the centre of the 'marker' - You can see the difference. There is a 1.2 degree difference from what should be dead centre to the centre of the marker stitched into the wheel.

NOTE: It's possible, maybe, that lens distortion might affect this but given the wheel is centred in the camera frame, I doubt it.

It would be handy to have someone build a rig that can measure this for real.

So it's possible that the top steering wheel markers are off centre relative to the rest of the wheel.

View attachment 7820375

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DaveB said:

Hi
My apologies, I wasn't meaning it as an insult
I was suggesting that the government should focus on more important things than worrying about a knob on a steering wheel.
The homeless situation all over the world is an issue but I often feel that priorities are misplaced

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Unimog 406 said:

Hi all
The result of my agents test drive this morning.

"The steering is performing outside previously driven vehicles and worsens with increased speed".
The agents proposal is to report to their contact at Ineos. Marc my sales manager made two attempts to reach his technical contact at Ineois whilst I was present but unsuccessfully.
Moving forward they propose to request:-
Any advice available.
Centralising the steering wheel positioning which is around 20 degrees off centre.
Checking all the steering and wheel alignment geometry.
Inspect and steering column linkages and bracketry.
Requesting steering box technical information, what are the correct settings, can it be adjusted, if possible how is this achieved.

As far as I'm concerned today I cannot have hoped for a better outcome.
I'll keep you all updated.
Graham

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Shaky said:

Interesting that


Interesting that your agent has said this, I wonder if something was tighten correctly from factory or if it just wasn’t set up right at manufacture.

It could be either, I suppose.

As feed back from my own position, I have lowered the two front BFG 17’ tyres on alloys to 37lbs pressure and on initial testing it seems better but I still have a drive back through a lot of Welsh country roads that are nice and tight at times. This is where the problem is and not on a motorway with plenty of room.

Either overtaking or meeting another large van, 4x4 or wagon gets a bit nerve tingling. Even in an Amorok I am more than happy with my vehicle and my own ability to get through gaps and still make progress. However I would describe the IG doing the same stuff as trying to thread a needle with a shaky hand.

I will certainly be adding it to the list for the agent.

Excuse the pun taking into account my nickname

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DCPU said:

Well not quite a rig, but I did a few measurements.
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The red and the green lines are both the same length and hopefully reference the same point on each side of the steering wheel.

Less obvious in the photo at this resolution is that the front top edge of the spokes (above the top line of the yellow rectangle) is not a straight line but rather a slight angle upwards away from the centre. It is also dished outwards from the centre.

I tried a plumb line but it gave the same result when measuring off identical points on each side of the wheel:
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The third thing I tried was to feel freeplay around the centre. It's almost impossible to put the same amount of force into the left and right, and although some of the readings i got were in a range, what was consistent is that there was more free play when turning the wheel to the right than when turning it to the left:
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Unimog 406 said:

Are we on the same page? 20 degrees off centre, to the right from the 12 o'clock position to drive in a straight line

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DCPU said:

Step one ~ rule out the driver...

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Miki said:

Thats not very fair is it.
It's not the car, it's you.
Basically, you can't drive, theres nothing wrong with the wonderful Grenadier it's the driver... @DCPU (aka Harry from the film Matilda) nails it again.

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Shaky said:

Interesting that your agent has said this, I wonder if something was tighten correctly from factory or if it just wasn’t set up right at manufacture.
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DaveB said:

Take a look at this guys hand/s on a straight flat tar section at 84kmh

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/50lwunQlQJs

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rqGVGFzH32U

Straight ahead and very little movement

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DaveB said:

Take a look at this guys hand/s on a straight flat tar section at 84kmh

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/50lwunQlQJs

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rqGVGFzH32U

Straight ahead and very little movement

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YellowLab said:

Yep - I bet that's a stool pigeon who works on the janitorial staff at Ineos - wants you to THINK he's not owned by the company....

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