Americas The big May 17 Announcement / Pricing / Discussion thread.

40man · May 27, 2023

Sturdy1977 said:
I know this has popped up several times. Fuel mileage. This guy is claiming 20ish mpg real world driving review.

View: https://youtu.be/XEtg4zL7q3o

View: https://youtu.be/XEtg4zL7q3o

The imperial gallon is also 17.7% larger than the U.S. gallon.

Krabby · May 27, 2023

Sturdy1977 said:
I know this has popped up several times. Fuel mileage. This guy is claiming 20ish mpg real world driving review.

View: https://youtu.be/XEtg4zL7q3o

View: https://youtu.be/XEtg4zL7q3o

“This guy” is a member here. @Ingemar

DaveB · May 27, 2023

Sturdy1977 said:
I know this has popped up several times. Fuel mileage. This guy is claiming 20ish mpg real world driving review.

View: https://youtu.be/XEtg4zL7q3o

View: https://youtu.be/XEtg4zL7q3o

He also doesn't say if that is imperial gallons or US gallons.

Norville · May 27, 2023

Sturdy1977 said:
But maybe it doesn’t mean anything. That’s the diesel version.

I wish before posting, diesel or petrol is clarified. 20 mpg diesel is meh.

Sturdy1977 · May 27, 2023

Norville said:
I wish before posting, diesel or petrol is clarified. 20 mpg diesel is meh.

Sturdy1977 · May 27, 2023

Krabby said:
“This guy” is a member here. @Ingemar

Thanks for making the connection and the attribution!

Thanks for the videos @Ingemar !

painter · May 27, 2023

I'm out.

Just checking in to checkout ... with my thanks. It's been fun folks

Good luck to everyone. Be it with the Gren, or another direction, I hope it works out well.

And thank you @Stu_Barnes for the venue. It's been informative and worthwhile. Wishing you continued success.

nobody_asked · May 28, 2023

Norville said:
I wish before posting, diesel or petrol is clarified. 20 mpg diesel is meh.

It's a diesel and he gives it in liters/100km so you can do your own calculations. Looks to be US gallons.

stickshifter · May 28, 2023

painter said:
I'm out.

Just checking in to checkout ... with my thanks. It's been fun folks

Good luck to everyone. Be it with the Gren, or another direction, I hope it works out well.

And thank you @Stu_Barnes for the venue. It's been informative and worthwhile. Wishing you continued success.

Your perspective will be missed, but I am pretty close to being out as well. Best wishes!

Michael Gain · May 28, 2023

stickshifter said:
Yeah, I guess I'm not surprised about the mpg. How do you like it otherwise? I am planning on placing a deposit on one later today. I'm going to PM you my cell phone if you have a minute for a very short chat. Be great to hear about your ownership experience.

You won't be disappointed.

singlefin · May 28, 2023

Power Wagon is a great truck right out the box. If your gonna carry some weight on the regular airbags and hell-wig sway bar are a must.

To restore balance to this post and hope a few dirty Grens sway your decision...

globalgregors · May 28, 2023

Michael Gain said:
You won't be disappointed.
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Bugger me, I think you might need to grow up around them to enjoy the aesthetic.

Ingemar · May 28, 2023

DaveB said:
He also doesn't say if that is imperial gallons or US gallons.

it is US Gallons!

Ingemar · May 28, 2023

nobody_asked said:
It's a diesel and he gives it in liters/100km so you can do your own calculations. Looks to be US gallons.

correct...calculated US Gallons

Tazzieman · May 28, 2023

Ingemar said:
it is US Gallons!

I've just landed in England and have to get my brain around local mpg from my usual l/100km
You don't have US gallons in Carinthia do you?

nobody_asked · May 28, 2023

Ingemar said:
correct...calculated US Gallons

By the way, great videos. Thanks for all the information. How hard is it to keep the utility seats clean?

stickshifter · May 28, 2023

globalgregors said:
Bugger me, I think you might need to grow up around them to enjoy the aesthetic.

Yeah - even Ram fan-boys are quite divided on the new "mustache grill". I definitely prefer the older style, which is still around in some trims:

Idahorocks · May 28, 2023

The trend towards taller grills is a race to the bottom in my opinion.

DaveB · May 28, 2023

Ingemar said:
it is US Gallons!

Thanks
Keep the video's coming
I like your relaxed style and simple facts.
I also like the way you involved your girlfriend with her thoughts and opinions.
Or were you just showing the IG world you could get a good looking woman.

stickshifter · May 28, 2023

Idahorocks said:
The trend towards taller grills is a race to the bottom in my opinion.

I don't like taller grills either. They are terrible off road - preventing you from seeing much of anything - but they can also be a hazard in day-to-day driving, like in a parking lot.

They are, however, driven mostly by function - not form (or style). The taller grill increases cooling quite significantly, and as the power and towing wars continue between the big three truck manufacturers (Ford, Ram, Chevy), heavy duty trucks are producing more and more horsepower and torque, with higher and higher towing and payload capacities. These trucks need greater and greater cooling capacity. We can have a whole other conversation about whether that increased power is truly necessary...

But if you look at the capacities of these new trucks, you can see why the increased cooling is necessary:

The Ford F350 diesel is now making around 1,100 lb/ft of torque (over 2x the diesel IG, and 3x the gas IG - just for comparison)
Max towing for the diesel dually, using a gooseneck hitch, is 37,000 pounds (5x more than the IG)
Max payload for the gas dually is almost 8,000 pounds (4x more than the IG)

Of course, most people aren't speccing their trucks to get these numbers, but still, these numbers are insane.

NOTE: I am only comparing it to the IG for perspective, and to give an indication of how much more cooling would be required - I am not suggesting that the IG and the Ford F350 are in the same class of vehicle. That would be dumb.

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