So where are all the first impressions? (right here)

bigleonski · May 8, 2023

Pipm4000 said:
49 rear is crazy high.

Not really if you have a full load in the back, say when away for an extended trip.

Cheshire cat · May 8, 2023

'From following JLR's recent history with software "updates", debugging seemed to mostly consist of switch off or removing checks that proved troublesome rather than fixing anything.'

I have completely stopped slagging off JLR for electrical gremlins or anything else for that matter; until Ineos sort things out in their own back yard. Very embarrassing situation for those of us who have extolled the virtues of the Grenadier simplicity.

PBD · May 8, 2023

Update:
So just back fro 60 miles test over all sorts of roads and no "BONGING" as our antipodean friends describe it.

From the start there was a yellow PDC Error warning, that was quickly joined by the good old yellow Transmission Error warning.
Stopped a few times and gave it the old stop start routine, whereupon they disappeared.
Back home briefed the Mrs who in her best Captain Mainwaring voice, fell straight into my trap with " you stupid boy (Pike) the passenger seat is empty!
Roll on this afternoon!
I feel like I'm sitting in front of the cameras for "Jackanory"

DCPU · May 8, 2023

Cheshire cat said:
'From following JLR's recent history with software "updates", debugging seemed to mostly consist of switch off or removing checks that proved troublesome rather than fixing anything.'

I have completely stopped slagging off JLR for electrical gremlins or anything else for that matter; until Ineos sort things out in their own back yard. Very embarrassing situation for those of us who have extolled the virtues of the Grenadier simplicity.

Not lagging JLR off ~ just pointing out the somewhat pragmatic approach to problem solving.

I think we've known for sometime that the Grenadier was not going to be simple; perhaps more simple than others, but never simple.

One thing that has puzzled me since the beginning was Ineos going down a patented approach to the central control system; especially when it's made such a virtue of using well established suppliers and components for other major parts:

trobex · May 8, 2023

Did any of these electrical problems come up in the 1.8M miles travelled? - I recall the CEO telling us not long back in the 'update to the masses' that there were 'no quality issues at all' and that 'quality exceeded their expectations'. Most first impressions thus far have electrical issues... mixed with some even more basic quality issues on the finishing... we got time here in Aus for the Guinea Pig testing to be over before they land? Maybe the RHD footrest isn't the biggest issue...

DCPU · May 8, 2023

trobex said:
I recall the CEO telling us not long back in the 'update to the masses' that there were 'no quality issues at all' and that 'quality exceeded their expectations'.

Yes, I'm not sure those were her finest utterances.

Cheshire cat · May 8, 2023

DCPU said:
Not lagging JLR off ~ just pointing out the somewhat pragmatic approach to problem solving.

I think we've known for sometime that the Grenadier was not going to be simple; perhaps more simple than others, but never simple.

One thing that has puzzled me since the beginning was Ineos going down a patented approach to the central control system; especially when it's made such a virtue of using well established suppliers and components for other major parts:

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Absolutely no aspersions on what you have written regarding JLR and their approach. Just finding it difficult at present when explaining the virtues the Ineos philosophy. As for your question why Ineos might patent a new control system. Completely agree with you. An area manager I know from JLR was once telling me how a lot of their unreliability issues came from developing their own systems right down to navigation, when there were established and reliable systems already out there.

DCPU · May 8, 2023

trobex said:
Did any of these electrical problems come up in the 1.8M miles travelled? -

I'm more concerned about the PDI mileage, every agent's supposed to do before handover. In every case, were none of these error messages occurring for them but then appeared for owners in just the very next mile?

trobex said:
I recall the CEO telling us not long back in the 'update to the masses' that there were 'no quality issues at all' and that 'quality exceeded their expectations'.

Yes, I'm not sure those were her finest utterances.

Shaky · May 8, 2023

trobex said:
Did any of these electrical problems come up in the 1.8M miles travelled? - I recall the CEO telling us not long back in the 'update to the masses' that there were 'no quality issues at all' and that 'quality exceeded their expectations'. Most first impressions thus far have electrical issues... mixed with some even more basic quality issues on the finishing... we got time here in Aus for the Guinea Pig testing to be over before they land? Maybe the RHD footrest isn't the biggest issue...

None of these issues were encountered or during the press drives, as they had all been turned off because they kept going wrong. Similar ethos if I have a rattle or odd knocking from the engine….just turn the stereo up, problem fixed.

Tom D · May 8, 2023

I seem to recall quite a few videos of the prototype tour where bongs did happen and customers were told that ‘it’s just a prototype and it will be sorted out’ . Its a shame, I suspect that they were torn between a stripped down basic design that would appeal to people like me and a bells and whistles design to have more mass appeal. I suspect they have quite rightly opted for the mass appeal solution. They will sell more cars that way….

I wish you could order an ‘Africa spec’ model which didn’t have any bongs at all. Although its probably an EU reg that they have them.

Fab · May 8, 2023

I’ve made a demonstration tour twice, last year. There were lots of bongs and bings, but no buzzers and no bangs.

bemax · May 8, 2023

Tom D said:
I seem to recall quite a few videos of the prototype tour where bongs did happen and customers were told that ‘it’s just a prototype and it will be sorted out’ . Its a shame, I suspect that they were torn between a stripped down basic design that would appeal to people like me and a bells and whistles design to have more mass appeal. I suspect they have quite rightly opted for the mass appeal solution. They will sell more cars that way….

I wish you could order an ‘Africa spec’ model which didn’t have any bongs at all. Although its probably an EU reg that they have them.

You can bet that the regulations will not allow a „pure“ vehicle any more. At least not from a bigger company.

ECrider · May 8, 2023

bemax said:
You can bet that the regulations will not allow a „pure“ vehicle any more. At least not from a bigger company.

aye - exactly that

PBD · May 8, 2023

Latest update!
Did a load of miles this afternoon with Captain M, AKA the wife. Hit every road hump I could find, spent ages off road and on miles of awful tracks deep enough to trap a tank.
Rocky never put a tyre wrong, not one warning light or any bonging at all!! I give in! Think he may be like a naughty child who suddenly realised he's taken the piss once too often!
The Captain said that's it for her off road, if she's going to shaken and stirred like that again, it had better be by Commander Bond

Also just seen the metal bumper thread, so went back out one the rain with a magnet. Most of the back one is metal apart from the two reflector sections. Gave in then and headed back in for a beer!

DCPU · May 8, 2023

PBD said:
Also just seen the metal bumper thread, so went back out one the rain with a magnet. Most of the back one is metal apart from the two reflector sections.

Top man.

Deleted User Account. · May 8, 2023

Hd truck tires I run between 60-70psi. Tire pressure is dependent on application and what the tire's rated for.

DaveB · May 8, 2023

Pipm4000 said:
That seems insane - should be one tyre pressure - no one’s letting the tyres down when they drop the kids off at school. 49 rear is crazy high.

That has been normal for vehicle tyres ever since they started making them black and round

ECrider · May 8, 2023

PBD said:
Latest update!
Did a load of miles this afternoon with Captain M, AKA the wife. Hit every road hump I could find, spent ages off road and on miles of awful tracks deep enough to trap a tank.
Rocky never put a tyre wrong, not one warning light or any bonging at all!! I give in! Think he may be like a naughty child who suddenly realised he's taken the piss once too often!
The Captain said that's it for her off road, if she's going to shaken and stirred like that again, it had better be by Commander Bond
Also just seen the metal bumper thread, so went back out one the rain with a magnet. Most of the back one is metal apart from the two reflector sections. Gave in then and headed back in for a beer!

Thanks for the update. hope things continue to settle down a bit

Arkaig · May 8, 2023

Nearly a week on and just about 1200 miles later, I seem to have been very lucky compared to some people's experiences - mine is simply the "Gren Grin" continues apace with no issues.

Here's a piccie from today's wee run:

Ever Pragmatic · May 8, 2023

Driving Update.

Apart from a bit of farm track driving on Saturday the rest of the weekend and today was spent using the Gren as a house hack.. The more I drive it, the better it gets and the Road performance in particular, has been well beyond my expectations.. Fast A roads in the rain, roundabouts and dual carriageway are gobbled up and it’s enjoyable to drive. The trick is keeping momentum up as going from a standing start is hard work.. 45-50mph upwards, it brings a smile to me face that something so big can get thrown about and be nimble..

I know a few owners are having a few bongs and warnings, as have I, but yesterday and today, it’s been faultless

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