Alternator & Aux Battery

TheDocAUS · Mar 13, 2023

Yes, just trying to be polite and not name them explicitly.

Blanket comment which I took to include both batteries - main and aux.

DCPU · Mar 13, 2023

AnD3rew said:
Yep, I have forgotten the actual IP rating number, but yes they are rated to be basically splash proof, you dont want to hose or submerge them but they will withstand a splash or some overspray etc.

From the Press Kit:

"The Grenadier loves a bit of mud and it can easily be washed down, inside and out. Five
interior drain valves mean owners can hose out the floor without concerns of damaging
interior materials. An IP54K rating for critical components in the cabin ensures the odd
splash won’t damage the switch gear or electronics."

Struggling to find K applied to a 4 for water though?

Tazzieman · Mar 13, 2023

DCPU said:
From the Press Kit:

"The Grenadier loves a bit of mud and it can easily be washed down, inside and out. Five
interior drain valves mean owners can hose out the floor without concerns of damaging
interior materials. An IP54K rating for critical components in the cabin ensures the odd
splash won’t damage the switch gear or electronics."
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Struggling to find K applied to a 4 for water though?

Hosing is a good way to ensure all manure is removed.
Some of the vehicles will be used on farms , and required for church on Sundays.
Carpets in rugged cars are not fit for purpose , IMO.

Eric · Mar 13, 2023

Tazzieman said:
Hosing is a good way to ensure all manure is removed.
Some of the vehicles will be used on farms , and required for church on Sundays.
Carpets in rugged cars are not fit for purpose , IMO.

I propose to address this by not letting any of the farm animals in vehicle.

If they want to travel it is the livestock trailer for them. I don't ride in the trailer so I don't see why they should get in my vehicle. Except the odd dead sheep in the boot.

Tazzieman · Mar 13, 2023

Eric said:
I propose to address this by not letting any of the farm animals in vehicle. If they want to travel it is the livestock trailer for them. I don't ride in the trailer so I don't see why they should get in my vehicle. Except the odd dead sheep in the boot.

Just remember never to tread in anything pooey

That shouldn't be hard , on a farm!

DaveB · Mar 13, 2023

DCPU said:
From the Press Kit:

"The Grenadier loves a bit of mud and it can easily be washed down, inside and out. Five
interior drain valves mean owners can hose out the floor without concerns of damaging
interior materials. An IP54K rating for critical components in the cabin ensures the odd
splash won’t damage the switch gear or electronics."
View attachment 7805966
Struggling to find K applied to a 4 for water though?

The K relates higher levels of pressure than normally used
It isn't normally used with lower IP ratings but can be used at any time
In this case it probably means they can withstand higher water pressure than normal IP54 but not up to IP55 standard
As a comparison in Australia the main electrical meter box on the outside of your house is typically IP23 and withstands rain storms.

DaveB · Mar 13, 2023

Tazzieman said:
Hosing is a good way to ensure all manure is removed.
Some of the vehicles will be used on farms , and required for church on Sundays.
Carpets in rugged cars are not fit for purpose , IMO.

Is that because people with dirty cars aren't welcome at church?

TheDocAUS · Apr 6, 2023

Has anyone photographed the secondary power outlet in the driver's or passenger's footwell? Does it have a Deutsch plug like the roof outlets or just bare wires (taped up)?

Tazzieman · Apr 6, 2023

DaveB said:
Is that because people with dirty cars aren't welcome at church?

But it's OK to rock up with a dirty mind as they will cleanse it for you.

DaveB · Apr 6, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
Has anyone photographed the secondary power outlet in the driver's or passenger's footwell? Does it have a plug like the roof outlets or just bare wires (taped up)?

This is the wiring loom they are showing
It isn't a neat outlet in the footwell more a socket in the wiring loom behind the footwell/dash area

TheDocAUS · Apr 7, 2023

DaveB said:
This is the wiring loom they are showing
It isn't a neat outlet in the footwell more a socket in the wiring loom behind the footwell/dash area
View attachment 7807986

Thank you, sure looks like the DTP 2 pin plug used on the roof. Cannot see any reason why they would use and another plug for the 25 amp circuit.

Here is a diagram showing the different Deutsch plugs, the one used on the INEOS Grenadier is the two pin CTP plug (bottom left). From Connector-Tech ALS I use in Australia.

DaveB · Apr 7, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
Thank you, sure looks like the DTP 2 pin plug used on the roof. Cannot see any reason why they woudl use and another plug for the 25 amp circuit.

Here is a diagram showing the different Deutsch plugs, the one used on the INEOS Grenadier is the two pin CTP plug (bottom left). From Connector-Tech ALS I use in Australia.

View attachment 7807996

Sounds logical to me
I think you are on the right track

DCPU · Apr 29, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
Has anyone photographed the secondary power outlet in the driver's or passenger's footwell? Does it have a Deutsch plug like the roof outlets or just bare wires (taped up)?

Well I went to the agent's yesterday with the objective of getting a photo of these, high on my list. I failed. Try as I did with turning myself upside down and peering into the innards of the dash from below, I could not find one on the passenger side. I couldn't open the driver's door far enough to try that side due to an adjacent vehicle.

Are they there?

AnD3rew · Apr 29, 2023

DCPU said:
Well I went to the agent's yesterday with the objective of getting a photo of these, high on my list. I failed. Try as I did with turning myself upside down and peering into the innards of the dash from below, I could not find one on the passenger side. I couldn't open the driver's door far enough to try that side due to an adjacent vehicle.

Are they there?

I am starting to think they may not exist. This information came from the leaked pocket guide but as far as I know that was never officially released and I don’t think there is anything about them in the owners manual. J

DCPU · Apr 29, 2023

Yes, I’m leaning to that conclusion also ~ maybe it's in a file of things they wanted to do but didn't get the time/resources to finish. In the same file as the inverter.

I'm also thinking that the under bonnet high load (500 amp) outlet may not exist also.

I was expecting some form of socket similar to the rear NATO 2 pin and the front winch may have a plug to connect in, mirroring the arrangement for the rear removeable winch.

I've seen photos on FB from our own forum member @BAS-Remaps that suggests the power for the winch on his is piggy backed off the starter motor. Maybe he can confirm I've understood him right and post the photos?

TheDocAUS · Apr 29, 2023

DCPU said:
Well I went to the agent's yesterday with the objective of getting a photo of these, high on my list. I failed. Try as I did with turning myself upside down and peering into the innards of the dash from below, I could not find one on the passenger side. I couldn't open the driver's door far enough to try that side due to an adjacent vehicle.

Are they there?

I only know the electrical diagram shows they are apparently there. Yet to see the real thing. Thanks for trying.

It raises the possibility they might not exist in the production vehicle. I suppose the worse case is I have to run the wiring myself. They also appear in one of the fuse diagrams, from memory. EDIT: see post below.

The Dealer told me more detailed information is coming online shortly for the INEOS network, where he can check this information.

Eric · Apr 29, 2023

DCPU said:
Well I went to the agent's yesterday with the objective of getting a photo of these, high on my list. I failed. Try as I did with turning myself upside down and peering into the innards of the dash from below, I could not find one on the passenger side. I couldn't open the driver's door far enough to try that side due to an adjacent vehicle.

Are they there?

10a circuit. The place to start is the fuses. The fuse for the driver and passenger side foot well from memory is circa 106 and the next ( or was it 102and 103) need to check the owners manual. My point is the fuse there and is the circuit live. What is strange there was no fuse allocated to the under bonnet 10a circuit. My conclusion is the 10a footwell sockets are there somewhere but the 10a under bonnet has been deleted. Unfortunately with no vehicle to get my hands on I'm now at a loss to investigate

DenisM · Apr 29, 2023

TheDocAUS said:
I only know the electrical diagram shows they are apparently there. Yet to see the real thing. Thanks for trying.

It raises the possibility they might not exist in the production vehicle. I suppose the worse case is I have to run the wiring myself.

The Dealer told me more detailed information is coming online shortly for the INEOS network, where he can check this information.

I wondering if they're tucked under the floor mats near the firewall...

DCPU · Apr 29, 2023

Eric said:
10a circuit. The place to start is the fuses. The fuse for the driver and passenger side foot well from memory is circa 106 and the next ( or was it 102and 103) need to check the owners manual. My point is the fuse there and is the circuit live.

From this (card in my vehicle - hopefully the same as previously posted by @Jean Mercier) - I29 & I30:

So the two fuses are definitely there:

But so is I13 Spare (Air compressor / dust gun) at 40 amps ~ does that have a outlet somewhere?

AnD3rew · Apr 29, 2023

DCPU said:
Yes, I’m leaning to that conclusion also ~ maybe it's in a file of things they wanted to do but didn't get the time/resources to finish. In the same file as the inverter.

I'm also thinking that the under bonnet high load (500 amp) outlet may not exist also.

I was expecting some form of socket similar to the rear NATO 2 pin and the front winch may have a plug to connect in, mirroring the arrangement for the rear removeable winch.

I've seen photos on FB from our own forum member @BAS-Remaps that suggests the power for the winch on his is piggy backed off the starter motor. Maybe he can confirm I've understood him right and post the photos?

Pretty sure if you have the winch the under bonnet

DenisM said:
I wondering if they're tucked under the floor mats near the firewall...

well if they stay true to the hose out claims, they should be higher than rhe base of the central panel

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