Towing Again

Tom D · Mar 28, 2023

Logsplitter said:
I’m seeing guys down here nr Poole towing boats way over 3500kg with over run brakes and no Problems.

I don’t think thats legal though. AFAIK any trailer over 3.5 ton has to have coupled brakes of some kind, air or hydraulic.

Logsplitter · Mar 28, 2023

Tom D said:
I don’t think thats legal though. AFAIK any trailer over 3.5 ton has to have coupled brakes of some kind, air or hydraulic.

I know it’s not legal. They Just hope they don’t get caught.I suppose it’s way cheaper to move around boats with a trailer rather than a large HGV.

Tom D · Mar 28, 2023

Logsplitter said:
I know it’s not legal. They Just hope they don’t get caught.I suppose it’s way cheaper to move around boats with a trailer rather than a large HGV.

Yes, I’ve towed over the limit on occasion, (3.5 ton digger on a 1 ton trailer) like I said overrun brakes are good on the highway if they are well maintained. I’d like to try electric brakes though. I’m not sure why they’ve never been allowed here.

Sphinx · Mar 28, 2023

Tom D said:
Yes, I’ve towed over the limit on occasion, (3.5 ton digger on a 1 ton trailer) like I said overrun brakes are good on the highway if they are well maintained. I’d like to try electric brakes though. I’m not sure why they’ve never been allowed here.

I'm not an expert on this, but I've owned 3 car trailers, 2 open deck and one enclosed - all three had electric brakes on them, two of them on both axles. My enclosed had a 10,000 lb rating which I pulled with a Ford F250 diesel.

To my knowledge, the only trailers in the US with inertia brakes will be boat trailers. Anything hauling a car will have electric brakes.

Spjnr · Mar 28, 2023

Tom D said:
I don’t think thats legal though. AFAIK any trailer over 3.5 ton has to have coupled brakes of some kind, air or hydraulic.

Yes and then has to be a tested, plated trailer if its behind anything other than Agricultural vehicles?

Cheshire cat · Mar 28, 2023

CountyV8 said:
Want the ball lower

Reminds me of the start to a song.

DaveB · Mar 28, 2023

One major issue with towing trailers heavier than allowed by the vehicle is that when going down hill the trailer can easily take control of the vehicle.
Common problem with small cars towing caravans with inexperienced drivers.
we are about to start school holidays here and I guarantee I will see hundreds of massively overloaded vehicles, crowded with parents and children, roof rack stacked high and towing a caravan or camper trailer that is also stacked high and has 4 bikes hanging off the back.

Wayneos · Mar 28, 2023

DaveB said:
One major issue with towing trailers heavier than allowed by the vehicle is that when going down hill the trailer can easily take control of the vehicle.
Common problem with small cars towing caravans with inexperienced drivers.
we are about to start school holidays here and I guarantee I will see hundreds of massively overloaded vehicles, crowded with parents and children, roof rack stacked high and towing a caravan or camper trailer that is also stacked high and has 4 bikes hanging off the back.

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That truly is a work of art.. insane, but art nevertheless!

Eric · Mar 29, 2023

DaveB said:
One major issue with towing trailers heavier than allowed by the vehicle is that when going down hill the trailer can easily take control of the vehicle.
Common problem with small cars towing caravans with inexperienced drivers.
we are about to start school holidays here and I guarantee I will see hundreds of massively overloaded vehicles, crowded with parents and children, roof rack stacked high and towing a caravan or camper trailer that is also stacked high and has 4 bikes hanging off the back.

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Yes, and usually they only tow once a year on holiday. And have " fun" reversing.

Norville · Mar 29, 2023

From the manual - is this the norm for on-road towing for even short distances (say maneuvering a trailer for parking, launching a boat, etc.)? Seems like it would help for those scenarios, but didn't think it was required.

Edit:. I did ask about tow control wiring at a drive event in California. I think the guy didn't know what he was talking about since he said a brake controller was already included as if it was part of the tow package. Question remains if anyone knows yet if it comes pre-wired for an aftermarket controller if we select towing options or otherwise.

DaveB · Mar 29, 2023

Eric said:
Yes, and usually they only tow once a year on holiday. And have " fun" reversing.

A lot of caravan parks are starting to demand that they park the van not the owner.
Usually have a tractor with the tow hitch on the front.

Wayneos · Mar 29, 2023

Norville said:
From the manual - is this the norm for on-road towing for even short distances (say maneuvering a trailer for parking, launching a boat, etc.)? Seems like it would help for those scenarios, but didn't think it was required.

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Edit:. I did ask about tow control wiring at a drive event in California. I think the guy didn't know what he was talking about since he said a brake controller was already included as if it was part of the tow package. Question remains if anyone knows yet if it comes pre-wired for an aftermarket controller if we select towing options or otherwise.

The Austrian test driver demonstrated the Gren doing 80kmh in low range in a Polish video. He specifically states that towing something heavy in low range around the street is preferable.

DaveB · Mar 29, 2023

Wayneos said:
The Austrian test driver demonstrated the Gren doing 80kmh in low range in a Polish video. He specifically states that towing something heavy in low range around the street is preferable.

Sir Jim said the same
Towing a horse float I think he said or a boat

DCPU · Mar 30, 2023

Wayneos said:
The Austrian test driver demonstrated the Gren doing 80kmh in low range in a Polish video.

80kmh seems a little high, I've not seen the video, could it have been less?

CountyV8 · Mar 30, 2023

DCPU said:
80kmh seems a little high, I've not seen the video, could it have been less?

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I have seen the video he did go fast will try to post

DaveB · Mar 30, 2023

CountyV8 said:
I have seen the video he did go fast will try to post

I saw the video and he said he could do 70kmh and then the passengers saw the speedo read over 80kmh.
pretty sure I saw it also

DCPU · Mar 30, 2023

CountyV8 said:
I have seen the video he did go fast will try to post

Maybe the gearing for the petrol and diesel are different, or that slide from the pocket guide is just wrong.

CountyV8 · Mar 30, 2023

DCPU said:
Maybe the gearing for the petrol and diesel are different, or that slide from the pocket guide is just wrong.

Hi all try this from about 33 mins in the Austrian guy and you can clearly see the speedo

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wbr_UCfZcs&t=1839s

DCPU · Mar 30, 2023

Very interesting

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80kph, 8th gear, low range and I'm estimating under 3,500 revs.

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CountyV8 · Mar 30, 2023

Yes quite fast I notice he didn't try to attempt the Land Rover change from low to high on the move. Risky at the best of times sort of double double declutching and praying.

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