Floor carpet - no longer available.

rovie · Oct 21, 2022

emax said:
What is an "intended purpose" ?

I thought, that a car has the purpose one buys it for, even posing. And not the purpose, somebody else means it should have.

Is there any "real-off-road driver-certificate" without which one does not belong to the off-road elite?
Did I miss something?

If I buy an off-road vehicle and spend extra money on locks, then I need them. The same goes for winches, snorkels, roof racks and so on.

I think many G-Model drivers, at least the newer glossy models, have never even driven a dirt road, let alone know when to use their locks and what that does. I've had a few Defender drivers tell me their reduction gears have been faulty. I asked them how often they used them. Answer: Never. So I don't have to be surprised that it gets stuck.
From the outside, the vehicles look as if they have been driven around the world 3 times. But if you look closely, the bucket hasn't seen dirt, the roof rack hasn't seen a single scratch and the winch cover still has the adhesive sealing strip from the purchase.

Sure, everyone can equip their vehicle the way they want. But: Through this martial pimping and posing, especially in cities, but not only, these kinds of people contribute to the fact that off-road vehicles and their drivers are put in a bad light and have to deal with more and more restrictions.
That is what bothers me. If everyone would be sensible with their vehicle and not deliberately park with their chunky tyres in areas where no one else can reach, just to show how superior they are, the image of this clientele would be different.

I can still remember times when I was regularly approached nicely by tourists at the weekend after getting out of my Defender or Range Rover in front of the town hall and bought the homeless people's newspaper and gave them a tip just so they could get a subsidy for their upkeep.

Today, when I drive to the town hall, there is no one sitting there waiting for me. Instead, I have the feeling that the coffee-drinking electric vehicle drivers want to tear me apart just by looking at me. And I still drive the same vehicles as I did back then. Only one of them now has 333333 km on the clock last week. And believe me, it won't get any better with the Grenadier.

Finally: I will refrain from commenting on this unqualified remark regarding off-road driving licence or off-road elite. Because these things were not my intention.

DaveB · Oct 21, 2022

rovie said:
If I buy an off-road vehicle and spend extra money on locks, then I need them. The same goes for winches, snorkels, roof racks and so on.

I think many G-Model drivers, at least the newer glossy models, have never even driven a dirt road, let alone know when to use their locks and what that does. I've had a few Defender drivers tell me their reduction gears have been faulty. I asked them how often they used them. Answer: Never. So I don't have to be surprised that it gets stuck.
From the outside, the vehicles look as if they have been driven around the world 3 times. But if you look closely, the bucket hasn't seen dirt, the roof rack hasn't seen a single scratch and the winch cover still has the adhesive sealing strip from the purchase.

Sure, everyone can equip their vehicle the way they want. But: Through this martial pimping and posing, especially in cities, but not only, these kinds of people contribute to the fact that off-road vehicles and their drivers are put in a bad light and have to deal with more and more restrictions.
That is what bothers me. If everyone would be sensible with their vehicle and not deliberately park with their chunky tyres in areas where no one else can reach, just to show how superior they are, the image of this clientele would be different.

I can still remember times when I was regularly approached nicely by tourists at the weekend after getting out of my Defender or Range Rover in front of the town hall and bought the homeless people's newspaper and gave them a tip just so they could get a subsidy for their upkeep.

Today, when I drive to the town hall, there is no one sitting there waiting for me. Instead, I have the feeling that the coffee-drinking electric vehicle drivers want to tear me apart just by looking at me. And I still drive the same vehicles as I did back then. Only one of them now has 333333 km on the clock last week. And believe me, it won't get any better with the Grenadier.

Finally: I will refrain from commenting on this unqualified remark regarding off-road driving licence or off-road elite. Because these things were not my intention.

I had a bit of fun regarding the off road course but I am actually hoping my dealer will run some off road courses aimed particularly at the Grenadier.
no doubt there are many things I can learn from them
They specialise in expedition vehicles so should have a wealth of experience and knowledge to share.
I did the telegraph track and gunshot 40 years ago but don't think I want to risk the damage to my Donny Gray paintwork. We shall see

Davman · Oct 21, 2022

I have asked my dealer to check with INEOS OZ as to what they are doing in regards to vehicle familiarization courses. Hopefully something gets arranged.

Camskii · Nov 21, 2022

I'd much rather be doing this anyway..

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DCPU · Nov 23, 2022

DaveB said:
I am actually hoping my dealer will run some off road courses aimed particularly at the Grenadier.

Ineos themselves were talking about "Ambassador sites" with off road facilities were you could sample demo vehicles. It wouldn't be a stretch to see them cater for some self-drive training/experiences.

Krabby · Feb 26, 2023

ECrider said:
not far off IG Pop

Add that dog go to the dog thread!

Krabby · Feb 26, 2023

simonpa said:
Just received telephone call from Ineos to advise that carpet flooring is no longer available due to 'standards issue'.
Therefore only rubber matting can be specced BUT carpet mats are still available.
Those like myself who chose the carpet flooring will have their account amended in due course.

A shame that this 'issue' has only now been found at a very late stage hopefully no more
'surprises' to come !!

For the utility flooring, are their rubber mats like what weathertech and husky liner make or is there nothing removable there?

Solmanic · Feb 26, 2023

I’m a bit surprised to have only just now seen this thread. I’ve had carpet flooring with rubber mats specced since day one and it’s been confirmed on my contract. No communication from Ineos or the dealer to say it wasn’t an option.

Previously on my Defenders, vinyl flooring was the only option and I was a bit concerned when we got our current W463 G Wagen with full carpet. However full cover rubber mats with upturned edges have proven to be fine and have perfectly protected the carpet. The added soundproofing from carpet with rubber mats for dirt has been a winner as far as I’m concerned.

My only worry is that the floor mats (carpet or rubber) won’t extend up to cover the massive RHD left footrest. This is going to have a dirty boot on it 100% of the time so it’s pretty crucial that it gets protected.

Beormund · Feb 26, 2023

Solmanic said:
My only worry is that the floor mats (carpet or rubber) won’t extend up to cover the massive RHD left footrest.

I don't see how you could have the footrest covered unless the mat was a) split or b) moulded i.e. not flat.

Tazzieman · Feb 26, 2023

Solmanic said:
My only worry is that the floor mats (carpet or rubber) won’t extend up to cover the massive RHD left footrest. This is going to have a dirty boot on it 100% of the time so it’s pretty crucial that it gets protected.

Why do you think a dirty boot is a problem?
It's not the least bit crucial in my long history of wearing dirty boots

I detest carpets in utility cars, and even in parts of my house.
If it really is an issue , glue a piece of thin aluminium to it.

ECrider · Feb 26, 2023

or CSI type overshoes to avoid contamination l. better keep the plastic on the seats as well

Cheshire cat · Feb 26, 2023

Must admit I too wanted a fully carpeted version. As I am of the mind this could be my last ‘expensive’ car purchase I have no issues biding my time and finding a good carpet alternative given time. I feel that the oft talked about foot rest on the RHD version is partly down to the light grey colour, making it look more pronounced.

Eric · Feb 26, 2023

Cheshire cat said:
Must admit I too wanted a fully carpeted version. As I am of the mind this could be my last ‘expensive’ car purchase I have no issues biding my time and finding a good carpet alternative given time. I feel that the oft talked about foot rest on the RHD version is partly down to the light grey colour, making it look more pronounced.

I'm with you, I wanted to have a carpeted version. And yes it will be my last car ~ age and health related issue. I think the RHD foot rest is more pronounced by the rubber mating shaping making it a good 10mm wider.

Solmanic · Feb 26, 2023

Beormund said:
I don't see how you could have the footrest covered unless the mat was a) split or b) moulded i.e. not flat.

I would expect a split section. That’s how the left footrest in my current vehicle has the rubber mat cover it.

grenadierboy · Feb 26, 2023

Eric said:
I'm with you, I wanted to have a carpeted version. And yes it will be my last car ~ age and health related issue. I think the RHD foot rest is more pronounced by the rubber mating shaping making it a good 10mm wider.

Last week I removed the rubber mat & pulled up the drivers footwell section of the rubber flooring to closely examine the part covering the RHD footrest, especially the right side sloping down next to the brake pedal.

The rubber flooring is approximately 5mm thick but on the right side of the infamous footrest there is a 30mm thick section (which has the effect of making the footrest at least 25mm wider and the gap between footrest and brake pedal narrower than is otherwise would.

Why?

No obvious reason - maybe extra heat protection but why on the side of the footrest.

Here is a photo showing the gap filled by the extra thick rubber flooring.

DaveB · Feb 26, 2023

grenadierboy said:
Last week I removed the rubber mat & pulled up the drivers footwell section of the rubber flooring to closely examine the part covering the RHD footrest, especially the right side sloping down next to the brake pedal.

The rubber flooring is approximately 5mm thick but on the right side of the infamous footrest there is a 30mm thick section (which has the effect of making the footrest at least 25mm wider and the gap between footrest and brake pedal narrower than is otherwise would.

Why?

No obvious reason - maybe extra heat protection but why on the side of the footrest.

Here is a photo showing the gap filled by the extra thick rubber flooring.

View attachment 7804398

That's so mice can get in and out easily and don't have to chew a hole

Greg · Feb 26, 2023

Rubber flooring design drawing/mould not updated after width of footrest was reduced?

Steveo · Feb 26, 2023

grenadierboy said:
Last week I removed the rubber mat & pulled up the drivers footwell section of the rubber flooring to closely examine the part covering the RHD footrest, especially the right side sloping down next to the brake pedal.

The rubber flooring is approximately 5mm thick but on the right side of the infamous footrest there is a 30mm thick section (which has the effect of making the footrest at least 25mm wider and the gap between footrest and brake pedal narrower than is otherwise would.

Why?

No obvious reason - maybe extra heat protection but why on the side of the footrest.

Here is a photo showing the gap filled by the extra thick rubber flooring.

View attachment 7804398

Could it be that the body had already been modified to reduce the size of the bulge but the moulded floor hadn't caught up with the change yet?
This would be typical in a development cycle such as this.
Will be interesting to see whether the gap remains on saleable production vehicles...

AnD3rew · Feb 26, 2023

grenadierboy said:
Last week I removed the rubber mat & pulled up the drivers footwell section of the rubber flooring to closely examine the part covering the RHD footrest, especially the right side sloping down next to the brake pedal.

The rubber flooring is approximately 5mm thick but on the right side of the infamous footrest there is a 30mm thick section (which has the effect of making the footrest at least 25mm wider and the gap between footrest and brake pedal narrower than is otherwise would.

Why?

No obvious reason - maybe extra heat protection but why on the side of the footrest.

Here is a photo showing the gap filled by the extra thick rubber flooring.

View attachment 7804398

That is odd. Maybe an aftermarket company will produce a replacement rubber mat that neatly covers that gap but follows the actual hump

grenadierboy · Feb 26, 2023

Steveo said:
Could it be that the body had already been modified to reduce the size of the bulge but the moulded floor hadn't caught up with the change yet?
This would be typical in a development cycle such as this.
Will be interesting to see whether the gap remains on saleable production vehicles...

Maybe - let's hope so - because you still can't rest your leg on the floor between the footrest & the brake pedal because the gap is not wide enough.

So - actually the RHD footrest saga remains an "issue" albeit for most people a minor issue.

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