Sick of waiting

stickshifter · Dec 28, 2022

Inez said:
I think the largest hurdle is that off road/closed course conditions are way different than on public roads vis a vis allowing a civilian to drive vs a company employee. Whenever I have been a dealer employee in a test drive scenario, I have had plenty of latitude compared to a "customer". Of course we all had to sign waivers. I think that putting a prototype on the road in the hands of a "customer" is a bridge too far for their insurance coverage.

Absolutely. There are big differences in liability for a manufacturer when it comes to prototypes being driven by the general public off-road (on a controlled course) vs. on-road on a public highway. Here in the (litigation-crazy) U.S. the general public would never be allowed to drive a prototype on the open road. Once the vehicles start coming off the production line, test drives will open-up, and we (the public) will be able to drive both on and off road.

JOB · Dec 29, 2022

Yes, but if any of this is the case where are the photos of the U.K. registered vehicles, on the road; in the U.K?!

bigleonski · Dec 29, 2022

Who cares really. As long as the real deal arrives sometime in January/February will all the feedback dealt with and built like a centurion tank.

DCPU · Dec 29, 2022

JOB said:
None of the cars photographed are in U.K. plates.

Central London:

JOB said:
Your point about prototypes not being allowed on the road is actually incorrect.

I said "not available to the public to drive on public roads"

JOB said:
In fact it’s quite the reverse; prototype vehicles if they display “PROTOTYPE VEHICLE” are allowed on the road and do not have to pay road tax.

Prototypes are required to be taxed:

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JOB · Dec 29, 2022

DCPU said:
Prototypes are required to be taxed:

Yes that will be the case in order for the vehicle to be compliant, though it is a fact that VED is not required to be paid by prototype vehicles which are displaying that fact. As per this L460 Range Rover, which has the Prototype script visible under the registration plate.

DCPU · Dec 29, 2022

We seem to have drifted off topic, but that vehicle is showing as taxed.

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stickshifter · Dec 29, 2022

DCPU said:
Central London:
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I said "not available to the public to drive on public roads"

Prototypes are required to be taxed:
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Is she authorized to be fondling another man's Grenadier?

emax · Dec 29, 2022

"Taxed" can mean (at least in Germany) "0,00€ tax" in the sense of "Taxed: yes. Tax amount: 0,00 €".

So "taxed" and as well "tax payed" is always true.

This is one of those accounting things that we don't need to understand.

But that's Germany, don't know British rules.

Max · Dec 30, 2022

DCPU said:
We seem to have drifted off topic, but that vehicle is showing as taxed.
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I'm sick of waiting...but what a brilliant pic of the Green Gren...just the angle showing the front end and how prominent the grill is sitting out from the guards...plus the bumper bar...and the height of the centre of the bonnet nearly to the windscreen...just shows off the total 3D little truck look...It has street cred with that image, people looking through the passenger's window, hand on the guard...it is saying I am the real deal...it is now making it harder to wait...thanks a lot DCPU

Davman · Dec 30, 2022

Yeah - LOVE the look on the blokes face. It says it ALL.
Nuff said

Eric · Dec 30, 2022

emax said:
"Taxed" can mean (at least in Germany) "0,00€ tax" in the sense of "Taxed: yes. Tax amount: 0,00 €".

So "taxed" and as well "tax payed" is always true.

This is one of those accounting things that we don't need to understand.

But that's Germany, don't know British rules.

It's the same in the UK all vehicles driving on road have to be taxed. Some forestry and agricultural vehicles are 0 rated. There are also some exemption on type of HGV driving licence if required as well on agricultural vehicles or when moving from one parcel of your land to another, generally there is a maximum daily distance limit. And then there is the issue of transporting livestock......completely different laws.

Tazzieman · Dec 30, 2022

The punch line is for real

JOB · Dec 30, 2022

DCPU said:
We seem to have drifted off topic, but that vehicle is showing as taxed.
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Cars over 40 years old are “Tax Exempt”, it means they don’t have to pay VED. You still have to go through the motions of taxing it only there is no charge.

That is what I assume is the case with other classifications of tax exempt vehicles such as emergency service vehicles and prototypes.

beanohallett · Dec 30, 2022

This one may be available today - with a bit of negotiation, even if the off road capability is quite "Different"

PanoramaJJ · Dec 30, 2022

DCPU said:
Well today's Friday, last working day before Xmas.

I think some if not all the Mark Tennant videos have gone out on a Friday ~ so rather expecting something today.

As to contracts, I think someone else posted very recently that mid Jan was next contract batch?

I've signed my contract and only have "estimated delivery by 1st Feb", so really are in the same position as you. In fact, I'm worse off as I've locked in my deposit.

Hello!
I´ve got "delivery 1st Feb", too.
Today (30.12.22) I talked to Elisabeth from Ineos Automotive (the 0800-number on the Ineos-Page in Germany).
And she told me, that the production date would be the 17th of January.
So it seems that I will drive my Ineos soon - I HOPE SO. I´m really happy to give them all my money - what a fun! SEE YOU ON THE ROAD!

DCPU · Dec 30, 2022

Maybe more people should be ringing up to get these in production dates ~ the online account details seem a lost cause at present.

Ineos labels them vanguard owners, it seems more forlorn hope or enfants perdus.

simonpa · Dec 30, 2022

I spoke to the Hekpdesk earlier today and was told my Build date is 13/01/2023 ..... good
news but still not received Contract.

To · Jan 3, 2023

simonpa said:
I spoke to the Hekpdesk earlier today and was told my Build date is 13/01/2023 ..... good
news but still not received Contract.

Spoke with an Ineos guy a few minutes ago. Want to know about the production day of my car in January (delivery 1st Feb.). He can't help me. He said that production starts in the new year on 17. Jan. And my car build although in January.
Ineos tries to transmit the purchase contracts to the customers in such a way, that there are no excessively long waiting times from this date onwards. Desired are the 30 - 60 days. This should be so that the customer does not have to wait too long for his vehicles. Therefore, the purchase contracts are also only sent if this delivery time can be met against the background of the major supply chain problems. Neither he nor the local dealer have insight into an exact production day. When the vehicle goes into production, the customers' accounts are updated cyclically.
That is in my opinion a very useful position. However, Ineos could certainly communicate this much better.

Jean Mercier · Jan 12, 2023

I got today the following message in my mailbox, lucky for me in English, so it is a copy paste here, but that doesn't meant I am happy with this, see below.

REGARDING YOUR DEPOSIT FOR ORDER NO. 52abcde
And a static Grenadier in our showroom.
Dear Jean,
Recently, you probably got your deposit refunded by Ineos Automotive. That amount was actually supposed to be forwarded to us, Hedin Automotive, in order for our finance department to settle that amount in your final invoice.
We therefore would kindly like to ask you to re-transfer the advance amount back to us by Friday, 27 January. This will allow us to neatly reconcile the final bill as it should be. We apologise for the miscommunication and inconvenience and thank you for understanding.
… (some explantion how to pay the deposit)
Come discover the Grenadier in Lokeren!
However, we would also like to deliver some great news, as the wait for your brand-new Grenadier is almost coming to an end. The first units are being finalized in the factory in Hambach and are making their way to our concession in Lokeren soon!
Can't wait till then to discover your Grenadier? From Thursday 12 to Sunday 29 January, a production model of the INEOS Grenadier will be in our showroom in Lokeren. Tough, capable and rugged: the Grenadier was built to be a vehicle you can rely on. And for the very first time, you can finally preview a production unit.
Test driving however will not yet be possible, but you can take a closer look at all the details and finishes. Our Grenadier Expert will be happy to give you an extra word of explanation and answer any questions you may have about your order and deposit amount.
Registration is not compulsory but appreciated.
See you then!

My remarks ...

The mail is in English, this is in my opinion a lack of respect from my dealer for his customers: In Belgium we speak or Dutch, or French or (small region) German. They could have send a multilingual mail to everybody, Dutch, French, German and if they wish in English too!
I was refunded, indeed (not yet in my bank account, but visible on the transactions of my Credit Card).
Read also that small sentence "The first units are being finalized in the factory" ... finalised, looks like they had indeed some small final problem to solve.
I got the mail today, 12/01 (or for Americans and others 01/12) ... and the "production model" is there in their showroom now. Pity I was working in Brussels today, and not at a place closer to Lokeren, otherwise I would have gone to see it. If I am in the neighborhood, I will make a jump there, but I am quite busy in the coming days.
"Test driving however will not yet be possible" I have the feeling that the vehicle isn't yet known or registered with the Belgian Authorities, I mean the Grenadier as a car, not the specific vehicle in their showroom.
And finally, I am disappointed that there isn't proactive communication from my importer/dealer concerning my specific order, but I will contact him after transferring

jamgolf · Jan 12, 2023

"..we would also like to deliver some great news, as the wait for your brand-new Grenadier is almost coming to an end.."

^ This is the key point

I hope you and others get your Grenadier very soon so you can start enjoying your new vehicles and others like myself, who have to wait for another several months, can have some first-hand owner(s) reviews.

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