Sick of waiting

Ever Pragmatic · Dec 17, 2022

I understand that vehicles which have been built are subject to “rework” which could explain your point.
in usual volume production, vehicles that fail QC would be subjected to rework. If it is a chip issue, it must be a plan n play one.

I do know that VIN numbers are available for these early customer vehicles from Ineos.

nickelnoff · Dec 17, 2022

Decided to check AXA insurance over here in Switzerland and it seems that the IG is now selectable for coverage which is a good sign

How long to wait I wonder… I was told a possible December or January when I signed. But I fear it will miss Santa‘s round

DCPU · Dec 18, 2022

DCPU said:
We've seen one PTO3 (well various bits of it) in London. There must be more, and if there are they are being kept well hidden. Maybe press have already driven them and just sitting on their copy until any embargo has been lifted?

So scuttlebutt from FB:

bemax · Dec 18, 2022

DCPU said:
So scuttlebutt from FB:
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Three weeks is probably a bit short to get accredited as a motor journalist.
I really would like to take part at such an event although I of course know that this is just dreaming…

emax · Dec 18, 2022

Be sure, they are all handpicked.

Of course the big ones, in Germany: Auto, Motor und Sport | Auto Bild | maybe ADAC (20 million readers) and some other players like that. And some special magazines from the offroad and travel sector. Some hunting and forest guys, maybe.

Although I have a press pass, I didn't even hear of such an event. It basically all happens within the club of car-augurs. And even within the redactions the editors will beat and stab each other for the job.

Krabby · Dec 18, 2022

Hopefully the turnaround from the event to when we see the reports will be relatively short.

emax · Dec 18, 2022

If there is no NDA up to a date on which all participants have agreed, I am sure that everybody will try to be the first one.

Auto Bild comes every week, Auto Motor Sport every two weeks and ADAC every month ... and so on. So I suspect they will try to agree on a date which is attractive for all of them.

There are of course other big magazines than only German ones, but you get the idea.

JOB · Dec 18, 2022

bemax said:
Three weeks is probably a bit short to get accredited as a motor journalist.

I don’t know, have you read some of the s**t they write? Three weeks should be plenty!

DCPU · Dec 19, 2022

So as well as tracking deliveries via shipping trackers, we now need to track Sir Jim's fleet of planes to see when this is actually going to happen.

Google suggests that he has access to:
Gulfstream G650 (M-OVIE)
Gulfstream G550 (M-USIC)
Gulfstream G280 (M-ISTY)
Gulfstream G280 (M-INTY)
Dassault Falcon 2000EX (M-CHEM)

I wonder if he's been visiting the factory for himself?

Pat-Ard · Dec 19, 2022

Thank you, I have a Business account, so lots of details.

Tazzieman · Dec 19, 2022

DCPU said:
So as well as tracking deliveries via shipping trackers, we now need to track Sir Jim's fleet of planes to see when this is actually going to happen.

Google suggests that he has access to:
Gulfstream G650 (M-OVIE)
Gulfstream G550 (M-USIC)
Gulfstream G280 (M-ISTY)
Gulfstream G280 (M-INTY)
Dassault Falcon 2000EX (M-CHEM)

I wonder if he's been visiting the factory for himself?

That is pretty close to stalking

Give the poor bugger some privacy!

simonpa · Dec 19, 2022

If Sir Jim is travelling from Farnborough to Nice sometime this week would he please pop
to Hambach ( 545miles ) load my Grenadier and bring it back to Farnborough - very happy
to meet him on the tarmac,
Thank you and a Happy Christmas

DCPU · Dec 19, 2022

DCPU said:
We've seen one PTO3 (well various bits of it) in London. There must be more, and if there are they are being kept well hidden. Maybe press have already driven them and just sitting on their copy until any embargo has been lifted?

Well there's at least one more PTO3 doing the rounds in the UK:

JOB · Dec 19, 2022

The second photo of an IG I’ve seen on U.K. roads but not on U.K. plates. There are clearly now at least 10 cars registered here - all registered and no doubt PDI’d by BCA (it says on the plates) but none of them have been seen to be driven on the road? This leads me further down the theory that the car is not yet type approved in the U.K, further explaining the delay in dealer demos.

Ever Pragmatic · Dec 19, 2022

JOB said:
The second photo of an IG I’ve seen on U.K. roads but not on U.K. plates. There are clearly now at least 10 cars registered here - all registered and no doubt PDI’d by BCA (it says on the plates) but none of them have been seen to be driven on the road? This leads me further down the theory that the car is not yet type approved in the U.K, further explaining the delay in dealer demos.

I believe that the Uk still relies on EU type approval as it has yet to set up a separate uk version. I also understand that uk type approval using the EU system will be marked with provisional “p” prefix to the type approval number.

so provided IA has type approval in euro land, we should be cooking of gas in the uk….

I am sure there are some European brothers in this parish who could seek out the type approval certificate for the Gren..?

DCPU · Dec 20, 2022

Brexit has made it a little more complicated with the NI Protocol; but there is still a process to go though to obtain a GB Type Approval, albeit is a bit Monty Pythonesque.

As of @15th September (the last time I checked), there were no records of Ineos holding the relevant type approval to sell vehicles in GB.

bemax · Dec 20, 2022

No type approval in Germany till September 2022.

Here is the the type approval up to the 30th of September 2022.

here you find the xlsx table.

Liste der erteilten Typgenehmigungen (Gesamtfahrzeug)

www.kba.de

Ever Pragmatic · Dec 20, 2022

bemax said:
No type approval in Germany till September 2022.

Here is the the type approval up to the 30th of September 2022.

here you find the xlsx table.

Liste der erteilten Typgenehmigungen (Gesamtfahrzeug)

www.kba.de

So type approval, or lack thereof, isn’t the reason. Having worked for a large motor manufacturing business in the 90’s, rework of new or launch models, was a key issue. Was either quality control / fit & finish or software related. It ended up with sheds and old RAF sites getting filled up while a work around or fix was found.

DCPU · Dec 20, 2022

I've certainly heard from people who have visited the factory since the summer of a number of vehicles with blue stickers identifying issues to be resolved.

@Halliwell Jones Chester mentioned the conduit that was visible in the rear door corners, then there's the catch on large rear door that dents the small door if closed in the wrong order, and the fasteners for the panel to get to the emergency kit.

I guess you could call then fit & finish, but requiring a design/drawing change rather than down to poor execution/delivery.

DCPU · Dec 22, 2022

Further to the Stellantis story a few pages earlier, it seems similar issues for Renault.

"Renault dealers have registered some customer cars that are still stuck in ports waiting to be delivered.

In a similar situation to Stellantis – exclusively revealed by Car Dealer last week – some Renault customer cars have been registered with no hand-over dates scheduled.

One Renault customer explained how their Megane E Tech arrived in Portbury at the end of November and has been registered by the dealer.

However, delivery dates for their car in December have continuously slipped with transportation and a shortage of drivers blamed as the cause.

Renault is also claimed to have told customers that delays fitting alarms and other extras are the cause of hold ups – even though ‘many customers haven’t even ordered extras’.c

Exclusive: Now Renault is registering cars stuck in ports as transportation woe continues – Car Dealer Magazine

Renault dealers have registered some customer cars that are still stuck in ports waiting to be delivered. In a similar situation to Stellantis –

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