Sick of waiting

[Greasemonkey]

Have you been to this dealer in the past? I don't have a good opinion of them. They are very arrogant and think they are better. From my point of view, the prices are clearly overpriced. Take a look at the used Landys. I never got an answer to my enquiry about the Grenadier. I wanted to return my Defender for the Grenadier.
Since the founder died in an accident, it's all about profit. With him it was passion. We met once at a meeting.

No, so far I only knew the dealer by name. I bought my last Discovery in Aachen because it was closer to where I live.

 

[rovie]

No, so far I only knew the dealer by name. I bought my last Discovery in Aachen because it was closer to where I live.

Just take a close look. He is, after all, relinquishing official Land Rover representation and concentrating on INEOS Grenadier. Even though he will continue to service Land Rover vehicles. Don't let yourself be taken for a ride.

 

[DCPU]

Since the founder died in an accident, it's all about profit. With him it was passion. We met once at a meeting.

Makes you wonder whether the biggest risk to Projekt Grenadier is not worldwide spares availability, reliability, or decent sales figures but the health of Sir Jim?

My local LR dealership went downhill when the family business was sold to a large corporate undertaking; then there's the story of Bowler... and probably many other businesses that thrived mostly on the enthusiasm and drive of a single/few individuals.

 

[emax]

Fortunately, the "stuck in port" scenario can hardly happen to private individuals in Germany. You do not have to pay before you take possession of the car and I don't believe that this can be undermined by T&C.

 

[JOB]

Pretty much silence from Ineos and my dealer since the “your Grenadier is heading for production soon” email, no contract and no dealer demo yet, which was last said to be inbound mid November.

Patience is a virtue but I would like some more concrete info. Last video from our man out in South Africa was nice but I can’t fathom how it’s taking so long since #JOB 1 rolled off the line to cars actually being out and about.

 

[bemax]

If I had to guess I would guess that still some administration rules are not fulfilled or something still has to be officially approved.

 

[grenadierboy]

Pretty much silence from Ineos and my dealer since the “your Grenadier is heading for production soon” email, no contract and no dealer demo yet, which was last said to be inbound mid November.

Patience is a virtue but I would like some more concrete info. Last video from our man out in South Africa was nice but I can’t fathom how it’s taking so long since #JOB 1 rolled off the line to cars actually being out and about.

The production line has been working for 9 weeks & probably +1,300 Grenadiers made by now.

Where the hell are they hiding all these cars!!

 

[bemax]

The production line has been working for 9 weeks & probably +1,300 Grenadiers made by now.

Where the hell are they hiding all these cars!!

Either they put the on a big parking lot or they do not produced that much and are by far not up to 90 cars a day. (Still it would need a parking…)

 

[grenadierboy]

The INEOS rep told me back in early November that the line was producing about 25 cars a day but that would slowly increase - so they must have made at least 1,300 unless the line had stopped for some time.

 

[DDG]

Maybe I’ve done this too many times (waited for a new model vehicle along with hundreds of fellow strangers on a car forum). There are a few unique themes to each launch, but there are also the same themes related to waiting. It’s quite interesting to step back a little from prospective owner, to observer and pay attention to how we cope. The very nature of a forum allows for us to voice our impatience and worries, whilst trying to gather as much information as we can.
Production ramping as it is means that ownership will ramp at the same pace…and SOON. My most sincere and warmest advice is “hang in there a bit longer with patience stretched thin. Forgive a little bit of oversight and clumsiness on the part of the manufacturer. Summon up the positive anticipation of the best kind of delayed gratification. It’s about to get FUN”

 

[grenadierboy]

Totally agree DDG

The human experience of waiting for something nice to happen is that the closer one gets the more exciting and unbearable the wait becomes.

Those last few moments (days/weeks) feel like forever.

We have analysed and theorised every possible angle of the car in the months of waiting but nothing beats practice.

We are almost there.

 

[AnD3rew]

The INEOS rep told me back in early November that the line was producing about 25 cars a day but that would slowly increase - so they must have made at least 1,300 unless the line had stopped for some time.

I think the #Job1 car was basically a PR excercise. They made quite a few PTO cars, there are quite a few in Australia now and around the world. The next cars were going to be INEOS cars and then dealer demo cars. There must be a few hundred of those. But I also think that they may not have been up to full production it does appear that even up until very recently maybe even weeks ago the actual final production details were still being finalised. I actually don’t think that until maybe a week or two ago, there were any final spec customer cats being produced.

 

[rovie]

We will have to wait a little while. They have problems with supplier parts that are not available and their delivery times are delayed. There are difficulties especially with electrical/electronic components. Motors seem to be difficult to get. The market prices for such components have risen extremely. The less available worldwide, the more expensive. These things are now often procured through brokers.
The only consolation is that it's not INEOS itself. Other companies are not doing any better.

Be patient and do as I do: sweep out the garage again, put up INEOS Grenadier advertising while listening to Brad Paisley's Mud on the Tires.

In spring the forum will be full of pictures. We need to take time off to look at them all and comment on them.

 

[DCPU]

If I had to guess I would guess that still some administration rules are not fulfilled or something still has to be officially approved.

Type approval?

 

[Andrew Kilby]

As I have said on several threads regarding the delivery.

I understand all the supply chain issues, the design and manufacturing difficulties but what really upsets me is the lack of consistent communication.

 

[bemax]

Type approval?

Or production approval. I am just referring to my insurance that the production approval would take place the 20th of January.
I really do not know what kind of approvals a car manufacturer needs to start production for the road.
But as there have not been a single „finished“ car in the hand of a dealer, customer or motor press there has to be a reason. Don’t you think so? Even the „hard way home“ group should have made it by now (including post production of the footage)

 

[Eric]

Either they put the on a big parking lot or they do not produced that much and are by far not up to 90 cars a day. (Still it would need a parking…)

If any are for overseas export they are stockpiled till a container ship can be filled. I know that when the wife's car was built in Japan it spend weeks in a parking lot dock side waiting for a ship full load. Likewise at destination it took weeks to unload the containers and arrange car transporters

 

[DCPU]

Or production approval. I am just referring to my insurance that the production approval would take place the 20th of January.

Interesting.

For the UK (well GB specifically) it states that "All manufacturers will be required to hold Conformity of Production (CoP) clearance directly with VCA before they are able to obtain a full GB or UK(NI) Type Approval."

As I understand it, type approval says the vehicle meets all the applicable standards to be on the road; and CoP says the factory can exactly match the type approval requirements repeatedly/consistently, thereby avoiding the requirement for every single vehicle to go through type approval individually.

 

[bemax]

Interesting.

For the UK (well GB specifically) it states that "All manufacturers will be required to hold Conformity of Production (CoP) clearance directly with VCA before they are able to obtain a full GB or UK(NI) Type Approval."

As I understand it, type approval says the vehicle meets all the applicable standards to be on the road; and CoP says the factory can exactly match the type approval requirements repeatedly/consistently, thereby avoiding the requirement for every single vehicle to go through type approval individually.

As I wrote it is pure speculation from my side. Just the information from the insurance headquarter I have for sure. But it’s a fact that while we have the approval type numbers for IA and the Grenadier in Germany/Europe our administration has not inserted those numbers into their lists which are obviously needed to actually register the car individually.
Maybe we will never know maybe they tell us in some weeks which knot they had to cut to move on.

 

[PBD]

My latest info was that a lot of vehicles had been built and were being stored under cover in a large warehouse. They are all supposed to be waiting for a specific “chip” that runs safety features like airbags, abs etc. They cannot be dispatched until the chips are installed and calibrated. The versions we have all seen do not have these chips installed and hence they are not road legal. Here’s hoping mines nice and warm in a warehouse waiting for a bag of chips!