Wrapping.

[Lollo050968]

Sorry that I can’t answer your question (which a company that does wrappings probably can)
But could you tell me what self healing transparent wrapping you want to apply? I did never hear about it.

3M have this self healing anti scratch film. Is much more thicker as normal Color Warp. If you have a scratch use a hairdryer or put the car in the sun, after that the surface is closed again. It´s not cheap, but for my Point of view you have to wrapp only bonnet and doors.

 

[AnD3rew]

Sorry that I can’t answer your question (which a company that does wrappings probably can)
But could you tell me what self healing transparent wrapping you want to apply? I did never hear about it.

This kind of thing https://www.madincgroup.com.au/xpel-ultimate-plus-paint-protection-film/

 

[AnD3rew]

I am not anywhere near an expert but I have been doing research
The best wraps last 5-8 years at best and can start peeling and discolouring earlier I was told.
They can also be very hard to get off or come off extremely easily
The issue is partly impacted by warranty
Ineos have good warranty which would include the wraps
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The Xpel ultimate self healing wrap has a 10 year warranty against yellowing, cracking and peeling etc.

 

[Clunster]

Yes thats my concern, I also have a flat paint, but its dark (Brittania Blue) so still worried the pin stripes etc will show a lot. Also will spend a bit of time outside and worried about bird droppings etc.

I'm going for Brittania Blue too, it won't be as easy as a lighter colour to touch up but will take a fraction of the time of a metallic to get right. As for protection I'll either apply a single stage ceramic/glass coating like a Gtechniq or just get the Collinite wax out and apply with my rotary polisher. Never used PPF as am wary that while they can self heal with heat on light scratches, anything like a scuff would mean having to get the panel redone which would be more expensive than paint/lacquer that I can do myself.

 

[MrMike]

Does anyone have experience with ceramic coating as an alternative to wrap?

Ceramic coating retains gloss and makes it easier to clean but doesn't stop scratching, the guy next to me at work applies it (top end detailer) and we have had it done to our new RAV4, great for a vehicle that doesn't leave the tarmac but no good for protecting paint.

 

[MrMike]

The Xpel ultimate self healing wrap has a 10 year warranty against yellowing, cracking and peeling etc.

I'm looking into Xpel, be interested to see what the cost would be?

 

[MrMike]

Single stage 'Ceramic' coatings are easily removed with panelwipe-type degreasers and don't pose a problem with repainting. Older cellulose style paints require 3-6 months curing but modern isocyanate 2pack paints need very short times to cure so a decent wrap/PPF like a 3M product can go on after 24hrs. My only slight concern is INEOS are using a rather new eco paint system and withdrew their wrapping option so I'd probably want to double check it's compatible. I went for a flat paint option specifically to avoid this faff!

Can you please explain why these new paints aren't good for wrapping? is it because of adhesion issues?

 

[bemax]

Can you please explain why these new paints aren't good for wrapping? is it because of adhesion issues?

I guess that there are still some solvents that evaporate from the fresh paint. Maybe they soften the wrapping and
a) destroy/age it in some way
b) glue the wrapping to the paint

 

[Clunster]

Can you please explain why these new paints aren't good for wrapping? is it because of adhesion issues?

They might be fine but when you are pulling off a wrap at 3 years or a PPF at 8 you don't want to be seeing primer ...so maybe best to check

 

[DDG]

This is a good topic to discuss. If you aren’t up to speed on these products it would be easy to be taken advantage of. There now exist so many varieties and chemical mixtures as to make comparing quite a lot of work. To keep it brief you can accurately think of ceramic coating as a long lasting wax that might help you keep your paint cleaner for longer. While it is promoted as a “sacrificial layer” it will not protect your paint from true physical damage like a branch or a flying rock at roadway speeds. If you choose to have it applied or apply it yourself; you’ll want to do some homework. So many different coatings out there and many are ineffective/worthless.
The paint protection films (PPF) are just that. A relatively thick, flexible, adhesive film. Again many many different manufacturers with bold claims. The time tested brands (Xpel being the one I am most familiar with) do indeed provide a decent level of protection from physical damage like small scratches or etching from bird droppings. They are not without their own issues though. Some paint care professionals I’ve spoken to advise against applying PPF because it can damage the paint simply by adhering to it. So when the film is eventually removed (worn out) it can cause wrinkling or lifting of paint.
That being said, my entire “fleet” is wrapped in PPF with at least one layer of ceramic coating on top of the film! It’s been a large investment of money certainly. From $2500 for a partial wrap on an M2, to over $10k for a complete wrap and coating of a G wagon. It makes the most sense to have such protection applied before any damage is done but I am not totally convinced it’s the best use of my disposable income. Bottom line is that you need to watch out for hype with these products. Far from perfect and quite expensive

 

[DCPU]

Whatever happened to car bras?

 

[AnD3rew]

Whatever happened to car bras?

You can still get them, but they mostly just cover the nose and front of the bonnet for stone chips, which is good, but must of the damage my 4x4s have received have been pinstripes down the sides from bushes beside overgrown tracks and damage on upper surfaces from bird/bat droppings.

 

[DaveB]

This is a good topic to discuss. If you aren’t up to speed on these products it would be easy to be taken advantage of. There now exist so many varieties and chemical mixtures as to make comparing quite a lot of work. To keep it brief you can accurately think of ceramic coating as a long lasting wax that might help you keep your paint cleaner for longer. While it is promoted as a “sacrificial layer” it will not protect your paint from true physical damage like a branch or a flying rock at roadway speeds. If you choose to have it applied or apply it yourself; you’ll want to do some homework. So many different coatings out there and many are ineffective/worthless.
The paint protection films (PPF) are just that. A relatively thick, flexible, adhesive film. Again many many different manufacturers with bold claims. The time tested brands (Xpel being the one I am most familiar with) do indeed provide a decent level of protection from physical damage like small scratches or etching from bird droppings. They are not without their own issues though. Some paint care professionals I’ve spoken to advise against applying PPF because it can damage the paint simply by adhering to it. So when the film is eventually removed (worn out) it can cause wrinkling or lifting of paint.
That being said, my entire “fleet” is wrapped in PPF with at least one layer of ceramic coating on top of the film! It’s been a large investment of money certainly. From $2500 for a partial wrap on an M2, to over $10k for a complete wrap and coating of a G wagon. It makes the most sense to have such protection applied before any damage is done but I am not totally convinced it’s the best use of my disposable income. Bottom line is that you need to watch out for hype with these products. Far from perfect and quite expensive

For me making the vehicle easier to clean is most important
My current vehicle has ceramic coating and it takes less than 5 minutes to clean

 

[Tazzieman]

Whatever happened to car bras?

I sold one that came with my Porsche 944. I fitted it once before putting it on ebay. Condensation underneath overnight marked the non clear coated bonnet finish.
And they look terrible. Some sucker paid me $240 though!

 

[Tazzieman]

For me making the vehicle easier to clean is most important
My current vehicle has ceramic coating and it takes less than 5 minutes to clean

How about the baked on mud underneath?

 

[DaveB]

How about the baked on mud underneath?

I can't drive it on dirt roads so it doesn't get any baked on mud.

 

[r1978]

I have ceramic coating on my Lexus and I don't see it as appropriate for off-road use. It's more like a semi permanent wax coating that protects the topcoat.
Something like this is more in keeping with the grenadier in my opinion.

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[Tazzieman]

I can't drive it on dirt roads so it doesn't get any baked on mud.
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Can't or not allowed?

 

[DaveB]

Can't or not allowed?

It has really low profile tyres and about 70mm of ground clearance.
I scrape going over speed humps and driveways.
I think I could probably go through a 50mm deep puddle

 

[Tazzieman]

It has really low profile tyres and about 70mm of ground clearance.
I scrape going over speed humps and driveways.
I think I could probably go through a 50mm deep puddle

My 928 has been lowered (not by me) ; I have to drive about 1km of dirt road to get home , many potholes. It gets hung up on speedhumps too.
I installed 2 spoiler protection brackets to prevent the spoiler being ripped off , let alone the A/C bracket , which tends to remove part of the engine block if it gets caught...
$100 well spent.
My 60s Benzes drive over speedhumps at 50km/hr without a hiccup. Brilliant rally cars from the factory!