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Where's the confidence level in the company?

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Recaro is in the Euro chapter 11 from what I understand. It’ll be making seats again. Why would Ineos buy a company that just tanked and is in receivership. I don’t see how it solves the issue any quicker and they would take on debt, and have a whole different company to try to resurrect. Jim may have gone down the path of enthusiast dreamer, but I don’t think he’s outright stupid and looking to flush another 200m down the pooper.

I would think they looked at all options BEFORE stopping production.
 

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Recaro is in the Euro chapter 11 from what I understand. It’ll be making seats again. Why would Ineos buy a company that just tanked and is in receivership. I don’t see how it solves the issue any quicker and they would take on debt, and have a whole different company to try to resurrect. Jim may have gone down the path of enthusiast dreamer, but I don’t think he’s outright stupid and looking to flush another 200m down the pooper.

I would think they looked at all options BEFORE stopping production.
Because seats are a safety issue/concern and they have to go thru all kinds of tests and governmental approval to use in a vehicle. Plus when you are selling a vehicle in different counties that’s different rules and laws you have to pass and get approval for. That process is VERY expensive and time consuming. You already have the seats approved and working, so buying the company to keep things as is would take on a debt but also solve issues. I am not saying this is the best thing to do, just throwing out options. Again, this is all just conjecture by us all as Ineos still has yet to actually say what the part is.
 
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What issues are they not addressing?
Read through all the Forum discussions and you will be shocked at all the problems. There are dozens, the water penetration is horrible. The water leaks are worst, through the ceiling via safari glass and top of the door sills, the rubber strips of which many have no glue or gaps with no glue. Go through this forum and you will find many examples. Also so many ADAS annoyances.
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R2HUqZJ6Wbw

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8giNTMmOATU

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dOrIYbO92WI
 
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Read through all the Forum discussions and you will be shocked at all the problems. There are dozens, the water penetration is horrible. The water leaks are worst, through the ceiling via safari glass and top of the door sills, the rubber strips of which many have no glue or gaps with no glue. Go through this forum and you will find many examples. Also so many ADAS annoyances.
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R2HUqZJ6Wbw

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8giNTMmOATU
Those issues have been addresses. So, old news at best.
 

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Read through all the Forum discussions and you will be shocked at all the problems. There are dozens, the water penetration is horrible. The water leaks are worst, through the ceiling via safari glass and top of the door sills, the rubber strips of which many have no glue or gaps with no glue. Go through this forum and you will find many examples. Also so many ADAS annoyances.
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R2HUqZJ6Wbw

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8giNTMmOATU
Some of these beasts just went thru a hurricane and were even parked outside and sustained no damage including water (several owners posted pics and info about this on Facebook).

I would ask you like I did another forum member who always seems negative towards these vehicles, are you a Grenadier owner? Seems like a lot of your posts are negative in nature and while I have no issue on your posting here but without actually owning one and driving it daily, you just can’t understand the feel we owners get from owning one (most of us, can’t speak for all obviously). I own two and have had ZERO of your issues you post on other than the sounds from the speeding/etc that I know will eventually be fixed with a proper software update and these things are so DAMN BAD ASS that I will live with those little “annoyances” until they get fixed. I will have these Grenadiers until I die. GRENADIER LIFER right here. So any of you non-forum members (or members) who are on the fence on getting one & reading these threads trying to decide, please know there are many owners who have had zero issues and love these vehicles!! Come join us…….👋🤘

Edit: I just checked out some of your past posts and appears you have one on order with a November 2024 delivery date. Sounds like you kind of have a negative view of these before you have taken possession of yours. Hopefully yours will have zero issues like I have had, but once it’s in your driveway and available for you to drive everyday I think you will see a big difference in how you feel and post about them. Time will tell and I hope your deal goes thru with no hold up with the current shutdown. 🤞 let us know when you take possession.
 
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Some of these beasts just went thru a hurricane and were even parked outside and sustained no damage including water (several owners posted pics and info about this on Facebook).

I would ask you like I did another forum member who always seems negative towards these vehicles, are you a Grenadier owner? Seems like a lot of your posts are negative in nature and while I have no issue on your posting here but without actually owning one and driving it daily, you just can’t understand the feel we owners get from owning one (most of us, can’t speak for all obviously). I own two and have had ZERO of your issues you post on other than the sounds from the speeding/etc that I know will eventually be fixed with a proper software update and these things are so DAMN BAD ASS that I will live with those little “annoyances” until they get fixed. I will have these Grenadiers until I die. GRENADIER LIFER right here. So any of you non-forum members (or members) who are on the fence on getting one & reading these threads trying to decide, please know there are many owners who have had zero issues and love these vehicles!! Come join us…….👋🤘

Edit: I just checked out some of your past posts and appears you have one on order with a November 2024 delivery date. Sounds like you kind of have a negative view of these before you have taken possession of yours. Hopefully yours will have zero issues like I have had, but once it’s in your driveway and available for you to drive everyday I think you will see a big difference in how you feel and post about them. Time will tell and I hope your deal goes thru with no hold up with the current shutdown. 🤞 let us know when you take possession.
A good post. Sadly many car forums have people who join just to deride the brand. They're probably on Ferrari, Ford and Mercedes forums too.
 

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Read through all the Forum discussions and you will be shocked at all the problems. There are dozens, the water penetration is horrible. The water leaks are worst, through the ceiling via safari glass and top of the door sills, the rubber strips of which many have no glue or gaps with no glue. Go through this forum and you will find many examples. Also so many ADAS annoyances.
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R2HUqZJ6Wbw

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8giNTMmOATU

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dOrIYbO92WI
The passenger side boot wash is a feature, not a defect. Make sure you spec it on your build. The Arcane builds will have them on all 4 doors and the rear doors.

TBH, I haven’t heard of any systemic leaking issues (doors or safari windows) on deliveries for the last several months. I do have the boot wash upgrade, but no water intrusion. Also, there don’t seem to be a lot of ADAS issues - other than people want to turn it off and keep it off. The intrusion of the nanny state. On the door seal, just keep an eye on the bottom - little 3M tape fixes it should anything come loose, but dealers know to look for it.

Don’t just rely on old videos - plenty of owners right here with recent deliveries. You can just ask them - a pretty incredible resource and community.
 
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