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I think their target is 1,000 orders in Australia in the first year and they have more reservations than that at the moment.
I agree, can you handle the repayments not the cost of the car.ADVAW8S said:I think another way to think of it is not the total price of the car but what the monthly car payment. Most people look at price range and then when they sit down, the dealer shows monthly payments and people are more accepting. Think about how long car payments have stretched out with average person taking a 6 year car loan. BTW, my Grenadier will be a weekend adventure vehicle.
DaveB said:I think their target is 1,000 orders in Australia in the first year and they have more reservations than that at the moment.
I agree, can you handle the repayments not the cost of the car.ADVAW8S said:I think another way to think of it is not the total price of the car but what the monthly car payment. Most people look at price range and then when they sit down, the dealer shows monthly payments and people are more accepting. Think about how long car payments have stretched out with average person taking a 6 year car loan. BTW, my Grenadier will be a weekend adventure vehicle.
Paachi said:By all accounts from what we’ve heard from Ineos representatives, the Grenadier Should land at $65K base and $75K loaded. From an options standpoint I really don’t see not choosing most of the options. The only things I don’t care for in the current configurator are leather seats, carpeting and some smaller stuff. All other things like lockers, ladder, camp table are IMHO a must have (because hopefully they are well designed from the factory)
A current model JL Rubicon or Bronco Badlands while might retail for $60K, are actually $80K-$100K trucks after stupid dealer markups. And there in lies the rub for my purchase decision. If the Grenadier has similar dealer markups I am out. Unfortunately due to the route Ineos has chosen to take for the sales in US they cannot commit to avoiding dealer markups. Sad. I am still holding hope they they will figure out some good solution for early hand raisers
I am in Australia and the laws are framed to protect the consumer more than the seller.d1rty said:@DaveB I'm not sure what country you're in, but the US has some wacky laws about automotive dealerships and selling autos directly to consumers. At this point, only Tesla currently sells direct to customers, and that's because they invested significant money into lobbying and lawsuits and really played up the "built in USA" and "EV is green" angles to get the exceptions. But Tesla sells 1M autos a year at the current rate, so it makes sense for them to do that. I think there's two or three states that are still hold outs - including Texas as memory serves, which is super ironic since Tesla HQ has now moved to Texas and will be home to the largest Tesla factory by volume.
Ineos has said for the US, they'll be using a network of independent dealers. Based on what has been published here from the emails Europeans and Australians are receiving, my gut says US reservation holders will make the second "order" deposit direct to Ineos, and the final payment at delivery will be to the local dealer. For the US, it's possible the "order" deposit may go to the dealer rather than Ineos; this remains to be seen when we start getting our emails late this year (hopefully).
DaveB said:I am in Australia and the laws are framed to protect the consumer more than the seller.