tyre rotation

[Stu9]

Yes! This is what I expected.
I was thinking it would take more of a drive than 300ft though.

Mine sure took a much longer drive for each wheel rotation. It took around 15 to 20 minutes for the system to recognise the new wheel in that location. I had to do each corner one at a time then drive until the system changed, before moving to the next wheel to rotate.

 

[Stu9]

I have done two complete 5 tyre rotations in 25,000km and displayed locations have been wrong since the first roatation at 10,000km. I have had the dealer in Canberra "try" to reset them to correct positions, but after two attempts they said it can't be done! I suspect they just walked around the vehicle and gave up... I gave up arguing with them.

Try this. It worked on mine. First, you will need to identify the correct wheels in respect of where the Grenadier thinks they are. It is up to you, but you may want to place the wheel back in their original positions first.

I have worked out how to do it. While it is fairly simple, it is a bit tedious. You MUST use a 5 wheel rotation, not 4. It is much easier to confirm transfer of the wheel sensor to the correct location if you have noticeably different pressures in the spare to the rear pair to the front pair at start. For example, have 340kpa in the spare, 300 in the rear pair and say 260 in the front pair. The difference needs to be sufficient that tyre temperature and pressure increase while driving does not confuse, of make the pressures overlap.

1. Ensure your tyre pressures are set up in three different groups, spare, rear and front.

2. Rotate the spare to the REAR RIGHT. I am not sure whether there is a sensor in the rear door, or if the system requires the wheels to rotate to awaken the sensors. If it uses rotation, then the new spare may simply be placed in the rear of the vehicle. Take the vehicle for a drive of around 15 to 20 minutes. Have the Off Road Temperature screen on the display so you can see when the system recognises the spare is now at the rear right. The pressure display will change to the new tyre’s pressure.

3. Rotate the new spare (the wheel that was the original rear right) to the FRONT RIGHT. Place the original front right wheel in the back of the vehicle or on the spare carrier. Repeat the drive and monitor the pressure display until the new reading is shown.

4. Rotate the new spare (the wheel that was the front right) to the REAR LEFT side. Repeat the procedure for spare storage and the drive. After the system registers the new tyre pressure, go to the next step.

5. Rotate the new spare (this wheel was the rear left) to the FRONT LEFT side. Place the new spare in the rear of the vehicle. Repeat the drive procedure until the system registers the new tyre pressure.

6. Correctly inflate or deflate all tyres to the pressures you wish to run. Remount the final spare wheel to the correct location.

 

[Rok_Dr]

Thanks for working that all out @Stu9, very helpful. I'm glad to hear that can be done despite being a bit tedious. I'll also add your how-to into the next unofficial manual update.

Meanwhile I booked Henry in for his annual service on a couple of weeks. Magic's quoted me $75 to do a 5 tyre rotation and sensor reset so on this occasion I'll leave it to them and cross my fingers.

Cheers
Steve

 

[trobex]

On this I am on 25Kkms and looking at first rotation and setting the process is annoying me and I have not even started! Task for Sunday.

 

[Tom109]

I tried this over a month ago. I could not get the single tire rotation to register the new location, so I track them manually. I’ll discuss with the dealer next visit.

Spare = RR
RR = RF
RF = LR
LR = LF
LF = Spare

 

[Stu9]

Did you start with the spare tyre to your first relocation? You need to have different tyre pressures in each axle group and the spare to start. Otherwise you will not know when the system has updated. You MUST then allow the vehicle to detect and relocate those two wheels before proceeding to the next rotation step. This requires taking the vehicle for a drive of about 15 to 20 minutes. Use the Off Road Temperature screen to show when the tyre pressure change is registered by the system.
P.S. How does your method below work? You are swapping the LF on four out of your five lines.

I tried this over a month ago. I could not get the single tire rotation to register the new location, so I track them manually. I’ll discuss with the dealer next visit.

RR = LF
LF = LR
LR = LF
LF = Spare
Spare = RR

 

[Tom109]

Did you start with the spare tyre to your first relocation? You need to have different tyre pressures in each axle group and the spare to start. Otherwise you will not know when the system has updated. You MUST then allow the vehicle to detect and relocate those two wheels before proceeding to the next rotation step. This requires taking the vehicle for a drive of about 15 to 20 minutes. Use the Off Road Temperature screen to show when the tyre pressure change is registered by the system.
P.S. How does your method below work? You are swapping the LF on four out of your five lines.

Stu,

I couldn’t get any sensor to read except the spare to RR. I tried, but time is precious and I don’t have 20-30 minutes per tire to wrestle with this issue.

Good catch, I corrected the rotation pattern I posted above.

Spare = RR
RR = RF
RF = LR
LR = LF
LF = Spare

 

[MurphyMurph]

I’m curious if anyone also has tried this secret code tire rotation method and if they were successful. With as accessible as the spare is, I’d like to perform 5-tire rotations every other oil change (every 10k miles).

 

[lagartoboy]

I just wanted to add my tire sensor experience. Last week I replaced my right rear tire, which I moved to spare position, and I moved the spare to right rear. I received the tire sensor error message for right rear. After 5 days, and about 15 engine starts, the sensor started working. So my takeaway is don’t rush to the dealer to get the sensor reset. Be patient and it will likely fix itself.

 

[NixGrenadier2023]

It has not worked for me. I did the first 5 wheel rotation at 10,000km, and the system did not display correct wheel positions after driving 3 months and another 10,000km. I did the second 5 wheel rotation at 20,000km and the system has not displayed the correct wheel position to date, which has been another 15,000km of driving. I have a total of 35,000km on the car in 10 months. I don't think it will fix itself...

 

[Znarfgh]

View attachment 7851128 This is what I do.

I also use the 5 tyre rotation method as I was tired of having a new, out of date tyre when a replacement set was required. 5 tyre rotation means you get more mileage out of a set but on the downside, it's more expensive at replacement time.

This will however create issues with the TPMS as they are not follow me sensors and need to be reprogrammed by the dealer (they failed in their attempt and I now have front & rear's reversed but that's no big issue for me. When next my vehicle goes in for a service I'll get them to sort it out.

I have not tried @Stu9's method but will next time even though it sounds like a very lengthy process.

 

[Wife-Bought-A-Grenadier]

Rotated my wires tires using 5-tire rotation & ended up here. This is absolutely maddening that Ineos overlooked this issues, on top of the fact that we can’t reset our maintenance lights. So after the first service, I’m left with 2 warning lights on the dash. Haha what a joke.
I am not going to spend all day rotating in 1 tire at a time, that sounds so time consuming.

 

[ItalianAmerican]

Rotated my wires tires using 5-tire rotation & ended up here. This is absolutely maddening that Ineos overlooked this issues, on top of the fact that we can’t reset our maintenance lights. So after the first service, I’m left with 2 warning lights on the dash. Haha what a joke.
I am not going to spend all day rotating in 1 tire at a time, that sounds so time consuming.

I also just did a 5 tire rotation at 5k and landed here due to the errors on the dash. I concur the method Stu mentions is extremely tedious for something that shouldn't be. Ineos needs to work this out PDQ, and allow us as the end users to reset without a trip to the dealer. I mean I partially bought this truck because I actually like doing my own work (once out of warranty ) and something as simple as a 5 tire rotation shouldn't be this hard.

 

[Ovrland Bill]

I am fully committed to an action plan of doing nothing in the way of tire rotation (this non-system has also worked reasonably well for my NAS Defender).

 

[MurphyMurph]

I started a 5-tire rotation last night and thought I’d share my experience so far in hopes of helping others who also want to perform rotations themselves.

I followed the method several others have used where you swap out one corner with the spare, keeping the extra tire mounted in on the rear door, then drive around for a few miles before returning to repeat the process 3 times.

I set the front tires to 35psi, rear to 40psi and the spare to 50psi and followed the below pattern.

There are 4 steps:
1 - Swap RR with the spare
2 - Swap FR with the spare
3 - Swap RL with the spare
4 - Swap FL with the spare

I made 5 diagrams, labeled the tires 1 through 5 based on their original position and marked the PSI. That way I can tell what the pressure should be on all 4 corners based on why step I’m on.

Last night I completed step #1 and went for a drive with the off-road temperature/pressure display pulled up. After about 4-5 miles the rear right display updated from 41psi to 52psi, indicating it recognized the original spare (tire #5) had been moved to the RR position. Simple as that. I then completed #2, but being New Years Eve didn’t have time to take it for a drive again.

While this isn’t the easiest 5-tire rotation process, I’m encouraged that I could easily complete this in an afternoon or over a few days if I wanted to do one corner per day after work until completed. For me, this is better than paying a dealer to perform it and also better than buying new sensors and a tool to update the positions. Trying to keep this “simple” vehicle as simple as possible and not add special tools if they aren’t necessary.

Once I complete the process I’ll report back with any further findings.

 

[Rok_Dr]

I started a 5-tire rotation last night and thought I’d share my experience so far in hopes of helping others who also want to perform rotations themselves.

I followed the method several others have used where you swap out one corner with the spare, keeping the extra tire mounted in on the rear door, then drive around for a few miles before returning to repeat the process 3 times.

I set the front tires to 35psi, rear to 40psi and the spare to 50psi and followed the below pattern.

View attachment 7883113

There are 4 steps:
1 - Swap RR with the spare
2 - Swap FR with the spare
3 - Swap RL with the spare
4 - Swap FL with the spare

I made 5 diagrams, labeled the tires 1 through 5 based on their original position and marked the PSI. That way I can tell what the pressure should be on all 4 corners based on why step I’m on.

View attachment 7883116

Last night I completed step #1 and went for a drive with the off-road temperature/pressure display pulled up. After about 4-5 miles the rear right display updated from 41psi to 52psi, indicating it recognized the original spare (tire #5) had been moved to the RR position. Simple as that. I then completed #2, but being New Years Eve didn’t have time to take it for a drive again.

While this isn’t the easiest 5-tire rotation process, I’m encouraged that I could easily complete this in an afternoon or over a few days if I wanted to do one corner per day after work until completed. For me, this is better than paying a dealer to perform it and also better than buying new sensors and a tool to update the positions. Trying to keep this “simple” vehicle as simple as possible and not add special tools if they aren’t necessary.

Once I complete the process I’ll report back with any further findings.

Looking forward to hear how you go.

 

[Tom109]

I’m having the dealer reset the sensor location at my service in a couple weeks. After that I’m not rotating until I get 255/80’s and clone new sensors.

 

[TahoeGren]

I’ve given up on caring whether the tire pressure display shows the correct tire positions. I’ve mentioned in another thread that I occasionally get the spare show up as the Right-Rear, that usually corrects itself after a while. A couple months ago I got the rear tires displayed on the right hand side (I think the Left-Rear and Right-Front got swapped). This happened on its own, without any tire rotation.

 

[MurphyMurph]

Looking forward to hear how you go.

Success! I did all 4 corners separately and did a short drive after each. All 4 times it was at exactly 5 miles into the drive when the car recognized the new location of the tire I swapped out. Last step is to reset the cold tire pressures in the morning.

Again, not the ideal process to have to follow, but I’m happy I don’t need the dealer or a fancy tool to perform a tire rotation.

 

[Rok_Dr]

Success! I did all 4 corners separately and did a short drive after each. All 4 times it was at exactly 5 miles into the drive when the car recognized the new location of the tire I swapped out. Last step is to reset the cold tire pressures in the morning.

Again, not the ideal process to have to follow, but I’m happy I don’t need the dealer or a fancy tool to perform a tire rotation.

Thanks for the update. Useful to know the distance to reset.