Trump announces 25% tariff on all imported vehicles!

[Gaffer]

I usually take the shower head off at hotels and remove the flow restrictor
I put it back before I leave

DaveB is a saint, truly public spirited!

 

[Clark Kent]

DaveB is a saint, truly public spirited!

Water conservation is a real thing here, just like many US states that are in record drought.
My wife and I recently stayed in a brand name chain motel and were super impressed by their efforts to harvest the condensate from the aircon. The indoor unit was dripping water down the front of the wall and the water was collecting in the wall light installed below the aircon. Except that wasn't completely watertight so they stuck a plastic bag over the light to collect the overflow. I you not, the light was dripping wet. It's already been replaced once according to the paint lines. That scroaty bit underneath is full of water.
Suffice to say we didn't use that light.

 

[Bayford]

I think america should be building cars in Europe after what Trump is trying to do to us.
Maybe he will agree on 0% tariffs then.
That would be great, even better than MAGA.
That would be MEGA.

Ford?

 

[255/85]

Says the guy who owns a $90,000 English car, manufactured in a German factory within France... Yeah, you're cheap alright! The victimhood component is simple. Anything designed here, offshored for fulfillment gets ripped off and undercut by China and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it... hence "victimhood". Trump has been talking about it about as long as its been happening and what we're seeing now is his jawboning coming to fruition. Do I see it working? Probably not. They don't have to worry about pesky things like minimum wage, regulations, patents, the EPA.... There was probably less red tape involved in their 3000 mile long aqueduct project than my zoning a damn garage on my own property. lol.

I think you've made my point. It's all yesterday's news. When it was working for us we didn't complain. We used every means at our disposal to reinforce the system. No one cared what Trump thought. Now we think it's not in our best interest after all and can only conceive of wrecking the whole thing. Or threatening to do so.

I do get your point about the PRC (and others) regarding their lack of regulation an even their outright theft of our intellectual property but are we going to cut every reg and safety precaution to return to the manufacturing climate of yesteryear? I believe we've benefitted far too much by offshoring the negative consequences of unregulated manufacturing and have become uneducated to the realities thereof. Onshoring those would be a nightmare.

Personally I'm happy about most hard won and long considered regulations. Not all. Just most. Can't have everything my way but at least I don't have to live next door to the monstrous tenement housing/industrial complex you would have built in your back yard if there weren't laws and ordinances against it. (I'm only kidding.) The theft issue is complex - perhaps even culturally complex - and will require more than just a big stick to rectify imho.

I see Trump's agenda as a potential race to the bottom. And it's unimaginative to boot. Maybe it'll work and maybe not. The US is <20% of global production even on a good day. How are we going to fare against the rising superpowers by going backwards? More importantly - Where's the American ingenuity in all this? Where's the creative thinking?

And just to be clear - we paid somewhere around $76K for our base spec SW. We hadn't purchased a vehicle in more than two decades and would have been happy to "buy American". After much deliberation we decided the Grenadier was the best value for money as dictated by our needs... unless tariffs kills Ineos off. I'm cheap as dirt but try to think long term.

 

[Tazzieman]

Is it still 25% , or "I just farted because I trust my gut and things have now changed"?
What a dog's breakfast.

 

[DaveB]

Is he this fucking stupid????:?

He is ""pausing the tariffs" to give them time to buy land, build vehicle manufacturing plants, find, hire and train staff, develop supply lines and logistics so they can start building cars in the USA.
Surely there can't possibly be anyone left, who can chew gum while walking, who still thinks he is sane.

 

[Tazzieman]

Surely there can't possibly be anyone left, who can chew gum while walking, who still thinks he is sane.

What do lunatics in an asylum think about the MH of the other inmates?
And do they think rare earths just drop from the heavens?

 

[Fab]

Is it still 25% , or "I just farted because I trust my gut and things have now changed"?
What a dog's breakfast.

Maybe all of us should put more trust in our farts to find truth.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

Is he this fucking stupid????:?
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He is ""pausing the tariffs" to give them time to buy land, build vehicle manufacturing plants, find, hire and train staff, develop supply lines and logistics so they can start building cars in the USA.
Surely there can't possibly be anyone left, who can chew gum while walking, who still thinks he is sane.

I work in capex projects, admittedly not auto manufacturing but in the industries I do work in a large greenfield plant can easily take 3-5 years, can be considerably longer if there’s regulatory stuff or an obstructive government or special equipment with long lead times.

How long is he pausing the tariffs?

 

[Tazzieman]

IHow long is he pausing the tariffs?

It's all in the owner's manual

 

[landmannnn]

I work in capex projects, admittedly not auto manufacturing but in the industries I do work in a large greenfield plant can easily take 3-5 years, can be considerably longer if there’s regulatory stuff or an obstructive government or special equipment with long lead times.

How long is he pausing the tariffs?

In my experience the capital approval process for large scale projects can take up to 12 months. I think that is on top of your 3 to 5 years.

 

[mcdoogs]

Is he this fucking stupid????:?
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He is ""pausing the tariffs" to give them time to buy land, build vehicle manufacturing plants, find, hire and train staff, develop supply lines and logistics so they can start building cars in the USA.
Surely there can't possibly be anyone left, who can chew gum while walking, who still thinks he is sane.

That's one of the spins he's putting on the tariff 'pause'. It's bullshit as usual. It was 100% in response to the bond market selloff. People don't realize how fundamental the debt market is to the US economy, I'm sure Trump doesn't, but other people inside the WH definitely do. The entire stock market can wildly swing like a meme stock without many lasting effects, but the bond market selling off can (and has) trigger a depression.

The conga line of Trump and his sycophants going on all the now state sponsored media platforms immediately to insist that the bond market had nothing to do with backing off most of the tariffs to me is the clearest example of the Streisand effect in action in recent memory. "The credit markets didn't influence this decision" they tweet and say as they go on CNBC every. single. day. lol.

Granted they caused the selloff, but recognizing the threat of the volume of bonds selling and yields spiking is the first economically competent thing this administration has done so far. So of course they deny to avoid taking any responsibility, as is the brand.

 

[Gaffer]

I think it is appropriate here to recall the Hunting Lodge Rule: Don't complain unless you have a better solution. The problem we face is the loss of manufacturing jobs especially to China. This is an economic issue, a foundational cultural issue, a moral issue and a security issue. We all remember that, once Covid-19 was exported to the rest of the world, not only were the Chinese at best not transparent about its origins, but in the US we found it difficult to get personal protective equipment to protect ourselves.

This is a small example that helps illustrate that our dependency cannot continue if we are to retain our sovereignty, in its practical sense. There will be many errors along the way. But the question remains: what is superior practical alternative to this policy given the current situation is unacceptable? If there aren't better alternatives, maybe this is the least worst one.

 

[Zimm]

What exactly is the definition of „insider knowledge“ and how is it restricted to be used in the USA?

Um... That, and you cannot trade on it.

 

[Zimm]

Yes I think there was a spate of window problems.

Russians suffer genetic verigo. I'm surprised they permit windows at all.

 

[Zimm]

I do get your point about the PRC (and others) regarding their lack of regulation an even their outright theft of our intellectual property but are we going to cut every reg and safety precaution to return to the manufacturing climate of yesteryear? I believe we've benefitted far too much by offshoring the negative consequences of unregulated manufacturing and have become uneducated to the realities thereof. Onshoring those would be a nightmare.

The PRC didn't offshore manufacturing, our businesses did. The same businesses that continually petitioned our government in private to do NOTHING about intellectual theft so they wouldn't loose the chinese market. It was our Greeeeeeed, not the chinese that started this. The comical part is, the C level wealthy have been selling out the other 99% for 50 years, and dumber gullible part of that 99% put a grifter C level thief in charge, because he said he knew what was going on and would help them... It really was the ultimate lucy and the football. If I lived somewhere else, I'd hyperventilate from laughing at us every morning after reading the news.

 

[Zimm]

I think it is appropriate here to recall the Hunting Lodge Rule: Don't complain unless you have a better solution. The problem we face is the loss of manufacturing jobs especially to China. This is an economic issue, a foundational cultural issue, a moral issue and a security issue. We all remember that, once Covid-19 was exported to the rest of the world, not only were the Chinese at best not transparent about its origins, but in the US we found it difficult to get personal protective equipment to protect ourselves.

This is a small example that helps illustrate that our dependency cannot continue if we are to retain our sovereignty, in its practical sense. There will be many errors along the way. But the question remains: what is superior practical alternative to this policy given the current situation is unacceptable? If there aren't better alternatives, maybe this is the least worst one.

Naaa... Basically what you'd like is for other people to do is stop pointing out the sheer idiocy of believing anything you write about these nonsensical, random, arbitrary policies and the resulting irreversible destruction of our economic, technological, moral, and military hegemony. Foreigners will keep on laughing at you, and those of us here that aren't gullible fools will continue to despise you.

Our children and grandchildren will never know the life of true social and economic freedom we had been so fortunate to attain, and their existence will never reach the potential and possibilities they one had. The failure can be traced directly back to gullible bigoted fools having their emotions and hatreds manipulated by wannabe oligarchs and their sycophant servile minions.

....or something along those lines.

 

[Gaffer]

Naaa... Basically what you'd like is for other people to do is stop pointing out the sheer idiocy of believing anything you write about these nonsensical, random, arbitrary policies and the resulting irreversible destruction of our economic, technological, moral, and military hegemony. Foreigners will keep on laughing at you, and those of us here that aren't gullible fools will continue to despise you.

Our children and grandchildren will never know the life of true social and economic freedom we had been so fortunate to attain, and their existence will never reach the potential and possibilities they one had. The failure can be traced directly back to gullible bigoted fools having their emotions and hatreds manipulated by wannabe oligarchs and their sycophant servile minions.

....or something along those lines.

I guess I have my answer. Thanks.

 

[Tazzieman]

Big Beautiful factories full of mid level trade opportunities. Really
I name him Nutlick

 

[S52]

Naaa... Basically what you'd like is for other people to do is stop pointing out the sheer idiocy of believing anything you write about these nonsensical, random, arbitrary policies and the resulting irreversible destruction of our economic, technological, moral, and military hegemony. Foreigners will keep on laughing at you, and those of us here that aren't gullible fools will continue to despise you.

Our children and grandchildren will never know the life of true social and economic freedom we had been so fortunate to attain, and their existence will never reach the potential and possibilities they one had. The failure can be traced directly back to gullible bigoted fools having their emotions and hatreds manipulated by wannabe oligarchs and their sycophant servile minions.

....or something along those

You clearly havent served (militarily) in recent times. As someone who had to fall under the last 4 years of the previous administration and endure the woke social experimentation policies that genuinely weakend our military, pushed experienced people out that otherwise would have stayed, and discouraged sharp young men and women from joining- I can assure you that the recent firings and appointments of new leadership positions within the DOD is being warmly embraced by those of us that serve.

We have spent far too much time worrying about political correctness in a profession that has no room for it while our adversaries have been building up their capabilities against us.