Trump announces 25% tariff on all imported vehicles!

[Zimm]

A majority of Americans voted for these policies. I guess we were tired of all the freeloading off our backs and our dwindling middle class.

Trump ha 49.0% of the vote which is a plurality, and 30% of voting age adults. In the Senate, dems had 51% of the vote to republucans 42%, which is typical because Senators represent land, not people. The house id always a toss up with gerrymandering swings.

You don't even know how your government works.

 

[holdmybeer]

Obviously, a country's sovereignty allows it to tariff as it sees fit. It's an experiment and bold experiments need to be run if old ways aren't working. Fingers crossed for you.

As an outsider, what is bizarre to me is the number of times (we're into dozens, I think?) that this American president has praised foreign authoritarian dictators. Someone mentioned "nostalgia". Well I'm nostalgic for well-built trucks and democratic leaders who clearly oppose authoritarian regimes.

 

[Zimm]

At least we still have our God given freedoms… well at least those of us who don’t life in Kalifornia.

God didnt do shit. The Constitution did. You get arrested for breaking the law, not coveting your neighbors wife.

 

[LC0013]

LC0013 said:
Actually the USA is subsidizing the world in weapons, defense, research, and education amongst others. If everbody would pay their fair share maybe tarriffs would not be needed.

None of what you said is true, as usual. If we cant offload f-35's to other air forces the per unit negotiated cost will sky rocket, along with the replacement parts needed to keep jets in the air. We can develop bad ass machines for ourselves, BECAUSE the allies will buy enough to get the airframe cost down.

The United States is the largest donor of foreign aid, contributing more than any other country in the world, with over $640 billion distributed globally from 2012 to 2022.
The United States provides the most defense aid to foreign countries, spending significantly more than any other nation, with a substantial portion going to military aid and support for countries facing conflict, according to USAFacts and other sources [1, 5, 12, 14].


Looks like lots of subsidizing to me.

 

[LC0013]

Trump ha 49.0% of the vote which is a plurality, and 30% of voting age adults. In the Senate, dems had 51% of the vote to republucans 42%, which is typical because Senators represent land, not people. The house id always a toss up with gerrymandering swings.

You don't even know how your government works.

All you need is one vote more than your opponent. You do not appear to know how your government works.

 

[Zimm]

Obviously, a country's sovereignty allows it to tariff as it sees fit. It's an experiment and bold experiments need to be run if old ways aren't working. Fingers crossed for you.

As an outsider, what is bizarre to me is the number of times (we're into dozens, I think?) that this American president has praised foreign authoritarian dictators. Someone mentioned "nostalgia". Well I'm nostalgic for well-built trucks and democratic leaders who clearly oppose authoritarian regimes.

Whats odd? More like obvious. He want's to be one, and he want's to drive a wedge between Americans and the rest of world, like a wife beater drives away her friends. It worked for Putin, Un, and Orban. He just took notes.

 

[LC0013]

Whats odd? More like obvious. He want's to be one, and he want's to drive a wedge between Americans and the rest of world, like a wife beater drives away her friends. It worked for Putin, Un, and Orban. He just took notes.

Trump has said he wants foreign countries to pay their fair share and you are against this? Seems odd...

 

[AFdude412]

Trump ha 49.0% of the vote which is a plurality, and 30% of voting age adults. In the Senate, dems had 51% of the vote to republucans 42%, which is typical because Senators represent land, not people. The house id always a toss up with gerrymandering swings.

You don't even know how your government works.

Say whatever you have to feel better about yourself, dude. Maybe you need a snack.

 

[LabRat]

The UAW leadership, hardly a fan of Trump and endorsed his opponent, clearly like this.

IN A VICTORY FOR AUTOWORKERS, AUTO TARIFFS MARK THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF NAFTA AND THE “FREE TRADE” DISASTER

 

[Zimm]

LC0013 said:
Actually the USA is subsidizing the world in weapons, defense, research, and education amongst others. If everbody would pay their fair share maybe tarriffs would not be needed.


The United States is the largest donor of foreign aid, contributing more than any other country in the world, with over $640 billion distributed globally from 2012 to 2022.
The United States provides the most defense aid to foreign countries, spending significantly more than any other nation, with a substantial portion going to military aid and support for countries facing conflict, according to USAFacts and other sources [1, 5, 12, 14].


Looks like lots of subsidizing to me.

We're not taking about Egypt or Uruguay here. The discussion was about the buyers of US weapons we are now attacking with tarrifs. Egypt isn't buying f-35's, Denmark is, for a profit... or was, that is. And THAT makes the cost per unit go DOWN. We're not subsidizing education in Europe or research in Canada. They are paying their fair share.

And check this out, braintrust. We pay the Tarriff, not them. You're not making up any money off of them. If we don't buy the good, no money goes into the coffers for the tax cuts, if we do buy the good, it's now inflation. Somehow MAGA thinks blanket tariffs are going to both raise money and eliminate imports. All they do is grind trade to a hault. Pure Fucking Genius (PFG). TDS though? TDS is believing the shit comes out of his piehole like it is gospel and regurgitating it on an international stage and thinking the world is laughing with you and not at you, and then crying to the mods later.

 

[Zimm]

All you need is one vote more than your opponent. You do not appear to know how your government works.

A majority of vote is over 50%. having the most, but not over 50% is a plurality.

 

[Zimm]

I gotta go to work.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=750429132022656

View: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=750429132022656

 

[LC0013]

We're not taking about Egypt or Uruguay here. The discussion was about the buyers of US weapons we are now attacking with tarrifs. Egypt isn't buying f-35's, Denmark is, for a profit... or was, that is. And THAT makes the cost per unit go DOWN. We're not subsidizing education in Europe or research in Canada. They are paying their fair share.

My post was about the USA subsidizing the world which you pivoted to F35's. Brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

Show your data that supports your contention that Europe and Canada are paying their fair share of education and research.

 

[AWo]

It's about trying to bring manufacturing back to the US. Hyundai has announced bring a steel factory to the US for use for Hyundai vehicles. Ineos hinted at the possibility of a US factory almost a year ago so maybe the tariffs will be an incentive to push that forward. With solid plans it could delay a tariff on Ineos vehicles before the plant is built.

Building new factories in another country takes a few years and are a huge invest. What are the policies then when the things are build up? Who ist the president then? Does it make sense on the long run? Hyundai announced that (three days ago) means that this was long thought through and are probably not a direct answer to the tariffs. They would have done this anyway. As every big player do this for various reasons...it has happened in the past and it will happen in the future, tariffs or not.

Mercedes for example looks into South Africa now for new capacities.

AWo

 

[Jeremy996]

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[ecohen2]

So the math that nobody is doing and I am super curious about goes like this.

First:
Ignoring the cost of moving everything back to the USA, how much more does it cost to produce a car in the US with:
1. Increased labor cost (including union fees)
2. Fed and local taxes
3. Insurance
4. Utilities
5. Tariffs on raw materials (steel / aluminum/ etc) and foreign made parts (switches, etc)

Second:
How many fewer vehicles will they be able to sell abroad if the cost is higher and other countries put tariffs on cars made in the USA?

I am not convinced that very many auto manufactures are going to move back to the USA just because of the 25% tariff. It might actually be cheaper for them to stay out of country and not take a hit on production. It's not like they can re-tool, employ, train and start production in a week.

Does this make sense?

 

[ecohen2]

I just tried using Perplexity to answer my question. In general I don't trust AI answers, but this is what I got:



The average percentage savings automakers achieve by producing cars outside the United States varies depending on factors such as labor costs, regulatory expenses, and supply chain efficiencies. For example:

• Labor Costs: Manufacturing in countries like Mexico offers significant savings due to lower wages compared to the U.S. Labor costs in Mexico are substantially lower, which is a key driver for automakers shifting production there.
• Tariffs and Trade Agreements: Under agreements like NAFTA (now USMCA), automakers benefit from reduced tariffs on vehicles and parts imported from Mexico and Canada, further lowering costs.
• Regulatory Costs: Producing cars outside the U.S. often means fewer regulatory hurdles, which can reduce compliance costs for automakers. For instance, deregulation within the U.S., such as through the SAFE Vehicles Rule, aimed to save $2,200 per vehicle by 2026.

While precise savings percentages are not explicitly stated in the search results, labor cost reductions alone can account for substantial savings, often exceeding 20-30% in countries with significantly lower wages.

 

[LC0013]

I just tried using Perplexity to answer my question. In general I don't trust AI answers, but this is what I got:



The average percentage savings automakers achieve by producing cars outside the United States varies depending on factors such as labor costs, regulatory expenses, and supply chain efficiencies. For example:

• Labor Costs: Manufacturing in countries like Mexico offers significant savings due to lower wages compared to the U.S. Labor costs in Mexico are substantially lower, which is a key driver for automakers shifting production there.
• Tariffs and Trade Agreements: Under agreements like NAFTA (now USMCA), automakers benefit from reduced tariffs on vehicles and parts imported from Mexico and Canada, further lowering costs.
• Regulatory Costs: Producing cars outside the U.S. often means fewer regulatory hurdles, which can reduce compliance costs for automakers. For instance, deregulation within the U.S., such as through the SAFE Vehicles Rule, aimed to save $2,200 per vehicle by 2026.

While precise savings percentages are not explicitly stated in the search results, labor cost reductions alone can account for substantial savings, often exceeding 20-30% in countries with significantly lower wages.

Not an AI fan myself but you did pose a good question.

My guess is the they have a bevy of accounts and economist to help determine whether a manufacturing move to the USA would be beneficial to them. One has to also consider Economic Incentives at the Federal, State, and Local levels as well and those incentives can be huge sometimes. The elimination of Local Property Taxes can run into millions pretty quickly. You also have Local Development Districts along with the Small Business Administration SBA that just love to give money away as well but, usually not at the level of the Feds or State.

 

[Bluesurf]

Just this morning Vietnam removed all Tariffs against the USA. Great start, now everyone else must do that or get "the equal tariff". It is fairest way to deal with extortion by foreign nations.

 

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If you lock it or delete responses then delete my profile. This is an extremely important issue and we must be able to have a view on the subject.

If the tariffs are sustained in the UK, this will push the country into recession and I for one will push back against that.

Life is not a bed of roses and we have to take the rough with the smooth.