Tiny bit of off road towing today, collecting some fly tipping from a site we are working on. She managed the slippery exit no problem. More of a chalenge than it looks though, given we had over two inches of rain here over the weekend.
And here is the problem. I figured, that by the time the Grenadier launched there would be a host of after market accessories including the option to fit a Tow hitch with Ball & Pin, or Ball or as some are saying a 'NATO claw' style. But as i have been informed directly from INEOS, no such after market accessories are yet availabe, so no after market wiring loom to facilitate the 7 Pin or 13 Pin single or double electrics needed to power lights etc on trailers. The fitting of tow bars seem straightforwards, however the wiring loom not so. INEOS are very unclear if this will ever be resolved. So, if you are ordering one, make sure you add the Tow Hitch option.
How are you getting on with this @Hicarus ? I'm 5 days into ownership on a Utility. Measured to up of ball today, 22.25". Most of my long trailers are 18". Decided I'd order the shorter Dixon Bate slider but upon measuring found the upper 4 holes are only 85mm centres where as the Dixon Bate mounting plate is 90mm centres.Is this right? But: In the EU there is no approval for this tow hitch. As there seems few restrictions on the N1 version, I went looking and found the receiver hitch in my post above (1692622971004.png). This was described as Euro compliant with a 3500kg load, a S value of 22.5Kn and a hitch load of 350kg. Suited me so I bought one and it IS quite a lump, solid.
This is the paperwork for it. Hope this helps.
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I installed the clutch.Is this right? But: In the EU there is no approval for this tow hitch. As there seems few restrictions on the N1 version, I went looking and found the receiver hitch in my post above (1692622971004.png). This was described as Euro compliant with a 3500kg load, a S value of 22.5Kn and a hitch load of 350kg. Suited me so I bought one and it IS quite a lump, solid.
This is the paperwork for it. Hope this helps.
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Slightly different one, but yes, 210kg hitch load & 3k5 trailer weight.I installed the clutch.
But the support load is only 210 kg, the information on the website is incorrect.
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It works perfectly with my Ifor W tri-axle & the Lunar twin axle caravan. Plus I can adjust the ball height up by 35mm if I have to. The upper 4 holes on the Gren hitch plate are for the NATO hook type hitch: smaller diameter & closer spacing than standard 50mm ball fixings.How are you getting on with this @Hicarus ? I'm 5 days into ownership on a Utility. Measured to up of ball today, 22.25". Most of my long trailers are 18". Decided I'd order the shorter Dixon Bate slider but upon measuring found the upper 4 holes are only 85mm centres where as the Dixon Bate mounting plate is 90mm centres.
Your purchase looks like my best option. Either that or I'll get a drop plate made made to line up with the 4 lowest holes.
Care to share a link for this?
Second thoughts....... If you do get a drop plate made up, make sure that it bolts to the two top (NATO hitch) holes as well as the 50mm ball hitch holes if you are dragging 3500kg loads. AND make sure that it has the side fillet strengtheners bent onto or welded up. the wheel tappers & shunters will stick a "Don't move" on you if they see it!How are you getting on with this @Hicarus ? I'm 5 days into ownership on a Utility. Measured to up of ball today, 22.25". Most of my long trailers are 18". Decided I'd order the shorter Dixon Bate slider but upon measuring found the upper 4 holes are only 85mm centres where as the Dixon Bate mounting plate is 90mm centres.
Your purchase looks like my best option. Either that or I'll get a drop plate made made to line up with the 4 lowest holes.
Care to share a link for this?
I added a Dixon Bate one and all fine?How are you getting on with this @Hicarus ? I'm 5 days into ownership on a Utility. Measured to up of ball today, 22.25". Most of my long trailers are 18". Decided I'd order the shorter Dixon Bate slider but upon measuring found the upper 4 holes are only 85mm centres where as the Dixon Bate mounting plate is 90mm centres.
Your purchase looks like my best option. Either that or I'll get a drop plate made made to line up with the 4 lowest holes.
Care to share a link for this?
Looks good.... and all those bolts, too.I added a Dixon Bate one and all fine?
Cheers, John
Hi John, I had this plate fitted to my Defender. Whenever I drove up an embankment in the forest, the plate acted like a plough. The same thing also happened to me once on tarmac. That's why I deliberately did without it on the Grenadier. Especially as I can attach a 2-axle car transport trailer to the original tow hitch and the trailer is in a horizontal position.I added a Dixon Bate one and all fine?
Cheers, John
Curious..... Defender 90 or 110? My 110 does the same but the Grenadier has a shorter overhang & hasn't ploughed anything yet.Hi John, I had this plate fitted to my Defender. Whenever I drove up an embankment in the forest, the plate acted like a plough. The same thing also happened to me once on tarmac. That's why I deliberately did without it on the Grenadier. Especially as I can attach a 2-axle car transport trailer to the original tow hitch and the trailer is in a horizontal position.
A Defender110. I have steep slopes in my terrainCurious..... Defender 90 or 110? My 110 does the same but the Grenadier has a shorter overhang & hasn't ploughed anything yet.
Understand that, this does get quite low at the bottom of the plate! I haven‘t had the issue of grounding yet but that could happen.Hi John, I had this plate fitted to my Defender. Whenever I drove up an embankment in the forest, the plate acted like a plough. The same thing also happened to me once on tarmac. That's why I deliberately did without it on the Grenadier. Especially as I can attach a 2-axle car transport trailer to the original tow hitch and the trailer is in a horizontal position.
I'll take a photo when I pass by the spots in the terrain again.Understand that, this does get quite low at the bottom of the plate! I haven‘t had the issue of grounding yet but that could happen.
Hi @JohnHeagney ,I added a Dixon Bate one and all fine?
Cheers, John
Hi, It fits exactly to the IG bolt holes although two different bolt sizes. This photo should help.Hi @JohnHeagney ,
Thats a helpful pic. Does the DB mounting plate that you bolt to the Grenadier have slider/elongated holes in it? Just wondering how it's married up with the unusual IG bolt hole arrangement. I would have been happy with the shorter Dixon Bate offering but the longer one (like yours I think?) seems to have some leeway with the bolt holes where as the shorter one doesn't. See pics. Can you confirm for me?
On this point of whether the tow hitch and the vehicle must have been approved together, I found this useful explanation that relates to M1 vehicles:I don't believe this is correct.
For an N1 vehicle you can fit what you like there's no requirement to fit a type approved E marked tow bar.
For M1 it does have to be type approved; but not for "that" vehicle.
Towbar EC Type Approval - Towsure UK
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Is this the 200mm one. Looks close to the ground? Was ideally looking for the 100mm or 150mm but fixing holes on those ones seem to be 90mm centres which won't allow use of Nato holes?Hi, It fits exactly to the IG bolt holes although two different bolt sizes. This photo should help.
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