Tirade About Molle Panel Cost

[AngusMacG]

I agree about the high costs of the external side molle panels are a bit ridiculous. I’ve been in many machine shops and see how well the CNC machines do on a variety of parts. I also agree with a previous post about R&D costs and the smaller market the Grenny has coupled with the supply v. demand do have influence.

Needless to say I am getting my Bison Gear molle panels, right rear side basket, and Jerry cans holders tomorrow…

 

[carlg007]

It's called the lucky sperm club. And there are <other ways> for people who don't try very hard at school, etc.

If you were born you are lucky!

 

[Earthbeat]

Well done for bringing this topic up again. Bison may be a great company but as they are based in Poland, surely their manufacturing costs would be much lower than the US, or definitely Germany and Switzerland. Doesn't make sense to me.

Why ‘surely their costs are lower’? I am a manufacturer based in the Czech Republic. Despite the fact that the Germans and British love visiting for cheap and tasteless sex tourism, manufacturings costs are roughly the same. Commercial floor space and capital investment does not suddenly drop once you cross the iron curtain. A CNC laser cutter costs the same in Poland as it costs in the USA. My Grenadier costs the same as what you all paid for yours. I don’t mean to be truculent, but I am curious as to why some thing from Poland should cost less in your view? If I believe what I read in this forum, most people are pretty happy with Bison products, and there is a demand. So they price it according to that demand. Interestingly, the people who appear to be most unhappy about their pricing are those from more economically ‘advanced’ countries.

Fun fact…. Days after purchasing a roof rack from Bison Gear which I myself thought was too much for what it is, they came out with a 20% discount. Made my day….

 

[Cheshire cat]

Why ‘surely their costs are lower’? I am a manufacturer based in the Czech Republic. Despite the fact that the Germans and British love visiting for cheap and tasteless sex tourism, manufacturings costs are roughly the same. Commercial floor space and capital investment does not suddenly drop once you cross the iron curtain. A CNC laser cutter costs the same in Poland as it costs in the USA. My Grenadier costs the same as what you all paid for yours. I don’t mean to be truculent, but I am curious as to why some thing from Poland should cost less in your view? If I believe what I read in this forum, most people are pretty happy with Bison products, and there is a demand. So they price it according to that demand. Interestingly, the people who appear to be most unhappy about their pricing are those from more economically ‘advanced’ countries.

Fun fact…. Days after purchasing a roof rack from Bison Gear which I myself thought was too much for what it is, they came out with a 20% discount. Made my day….

Hi Earthbeat
I work at sea with people from all over Europe, especially Poland and Romania. My comment was not in any way meant to be derogatory. It was my understanding that the cost of labour and the high taxes found in places like Germany and Switzerland, would have made Poland more competitive.
For the record I myself have purchased from Bison and have no complaints about the quality or the price.
I have possibly been misled by the people I know in the classic car world who have taken their cars and motorcycles to Eastern Europe for rebuilding, as it made financial sense. Here in UK, labour can be over £100.00 per hour. I didn’t know that would be the same in Poland.

 

[ECrider]

Why ‘surely their costs are lower’? I am a manufacturer based in the Czech Republic. Despite the fact that the Germans and British love visiting for cheap and tasteless sex tourism, manufacturings costs are roughly the same. Commercial floor space and capital investment does not suddenly drop once you cross the iron curtain. A CNC laser cutter costs the same in Poland as it costs in the USA. My Grenadier costs the same as what you all paid for yours. I don’t mean to be truculent, but I am curious as to why some thing from Poland should cost less in your view? If I believe what I read in this forum, most people are pretty happy with Bison products, and there is a demand. So they price it according to that demand. Interestingly, the people who appear to be most unhappy about their pricing are those from more economically ‘advanced’ countries.

Fun fact…. Days after purchasing a roof rack from Bison Gear which I myself thought was too much for what it is, they came out with a 20% discount. Made my day….

'tasteless' - very subjective imho.

 

[C'mon tae grips]

'tasteless' - very subjective imho.

Jeez, we're Grenadier owners! We're happy to pay for expensive and tasteless sex tourism, to match our molle panels.

 

[landmannnn]

Why ‘surely their costs are lower’? I am a manufacturer based in the Czech Republic. Despite the fact that the Germans and British love visiting for cheap and tasteless sex tourism, manufacturings costs are roughly the same. Commercial floor space and capital investment does not suddenly drop once you cross the iron curtain. A CNC laser cutter costs the same in Poland as it costs in the USA. My Grenadier costs the same as what you all paid for yours. I don’t mean to be truculent, but I am curious as to why some thing from Poland should cost less in your view? If I believe what I read in this forum, most people are pretty happy with Bison products, and there is a demand. So they price it according to that demand. Interestingly, the people who appear to be most unhappy about their pricing are those from more economically ‘advanced’ countries.

Fun fact…. Days after purchasing a roof rack from Bison Gear which I myself thought was too much for what it is, they came out with a 20% discount. Made my day….

There's a whole host of reasons why Poland, Slovakia and the Czech Republic are cost effective places to manufacture automotive parts (and cars)

Yes, labour costs are a bit lower, but it is more about the availability of skilled labour, a strong aftermarket, stable economies and a culture manufacturing.

 

[trobex]

Czech average wage is 25% of the Australian average wage and Poland is basically 20% of the average Australian wage... and we are always told that wages in manufacturing are the highest proportion of costs. I would expect something made in Poland or Czech or any other similar country to cost HALF of what we pay in Australia. For some reason, this is never the case. So I do not buy from either (Aus or Overseas) and generally get friends to fabricate stuff for me from left over materials. I simply cannot buy in the the current bull crap pricing I am seeing all over the shop. People complain about groceries... but will drop $7.40 on a coffee EVERY day. No.

 

[landmannnn]

Since the average salary in Poland is €23k pa, you must be very well paid in Oz.

 

[GN4HIR]

I can't believe it took us 43 posts before we got to sex tourism.

 

[GN4HIR]

If you were born you are lucky!

If you were born and it was in a developed part of the world your lucky.

If you were born and it was in Texas, you hit the jackpot.

 

[GN4HIR]

What features are missing from the current Molle panels on the market that you would like to see, in addition to a more reasonable price?

I'm not saying current designs are deficient, I was just curious if you were going to start from scratch, what, if anything, would you want/do differently.

 

[GN4HIR]

TBH, I can think of at least five places I would put gear, more secure and better located than a mole panel. I think they are 100% a money grab.

A shrew way of framing the question. I've fully used my interior space and do not want to carry gas inside or on top of my vehicle. I'm one of the posers that lifted his vehicle and I'm going to need a step stool or ladder just to get things out of the Roam roof rack box where I'm keeping tools.

 

[GN4HIR]

I could never attach petrol to the side or rear of a vehicle used onroad.
But I would consider a long range tank underneath.

I currently have a 2 gal on the spare tire. Its perfect for the making sure the Polaris Ranger has enough fuel for running around.

A friend, insinuating I was posing, asked me what the gas can was for.. I replied, you never know when your going to need to burn a corpse. He was quiet after that..

 

[Tom109]

A shrew way of framing the question. I've fully used my interior space and do not want to carry gas inside or on top of my vehicle. I'm one of the posers that lifted his vehicle and I'm going to need a step stool or ladder just to get things out of the Roam roof rack box where I'm keeping tools.

Fair enough, but I would never strap fuel to the side of my vehicles, and I would never put a full Jerry on the side airline rails 1-inch from the rear quarter glass. Just me…

I use NATO cans and have never had one leak, ever. A roof rack is also indispensable to me.

 

[landmannnn]

I currently have a 2 gal on the spare tire. Its perfect for the making sure the Polaris Ranger has enough fuel for running around.

A friend, insinuating I was posing, asked me what the gas can was for.. I replied, you never know when your going to need to burn a corpse. He was quiet after that..

Does it work with diesel? Asking for a friend.

 

[Tazzieman]

Does it work with diesel? Asking for a friend.

Kerosene works better. Or if you have a lot of methylated spirits. You'll also need a proper shovel , not a tactical poo trowel.

 

[trobex]

Since the average salary in Poland is €23k pa, you must be very well paid in Oz.

Average wage in Australia is just shy of $100K AUD and growing. Amazing what unfretted immigration can do to a country.

We just need China to cool a little, and then some of the AM stuff will come in cost effective. I have an ARB (look alike) compressor, and it was 1/5 the cost of the original. You would swear they are made in the same factory and one is painted blue, the other red... I cannot fault it.

 

[Tazzieman]

"DON'T BUY ANYTHING FROM CHINA!"
...buys something from China....

 

[255/85]

I am not investing 1c in anything that can otherwise be made in China eventually, for 1/4 the price. I am done with Europeans (and their colonies) taking the piss on costs.

Says the man who bought a Grenadier.

It's called the lucky sperm club. And there are <other ways> for people who don't try very hard at school, etc.

Crime, politics, the lottery, or any combination of the three. Take your pick.