Sold after 11 months of ownership. My final post and final thoughts.

[Cheshire cat]

As the automotive sector is in decline, a sector I am still very involved in, I fear that the depreciation of Ineos will accelerate as it is for other brands, and that the haircut I took now will pale into insignificance when more people want to shed their baggage, and as the market shrinks. As a low volume manufacturer, I wonder if we fall into recessionary trends if they will still be here in 5 years. Will they become Tesla or end up like Lucid. Maybe Land Rover were right abandoning the Defender when they did, even though its new namesake replacement is not the Defender we wanted.

Nodric
Sorry to read your tale of woe.
Many recognisable items in your list, especially on the lack of support from dealers.
So far, my experience has been very different to yours, but that only gives credence to the saying ‘Different strokes for different folks’. Wishing you success with your options going forward.

 

[nodric]

Man you must really not have not thought out that this is a new company with a newly introduced product. I bought mine From Mossy in Houston. Have put 25k miles on it in all types of environments. Avid outdoorsman!
Did you really think the gas mileage would be fantastic with a vehicle with a high performance engine at the weight of the vehicle? I too have had a few software issues but with last update now the only thing that pisses me off is the setting of the speed bong every time I get in the vehicle.
Overall I think this is one of the best vehicles I have owned which have been many over my life. The annoyances don’t outweigh the fun I have with the vehicle.
I give mine a 8 out of 10 which makes my life fun and enjoyable! By the way got my jacket a couple of months ago!

As someone who drove Defenders and Series vehicles for decades in the UK and Belgium I was well aware of the profile of the car. My Diesel Landies never ate fuel like the Grenadier, but then they didn't go as fast However, there were many options that could have yielded better gas milage that the BMW plant they used. But it is what it is. If you are happy then they did a great job. It just wasn't a good decision for me.

The car has the chops to be one of the best 4x4 vehicles for overlanding and even some quite extreme trails. Whether I wanted to beat up a $107K vehicle in that way was another decision to part with it. I could easily destroy it in less time than the finance payments would have been met. AS a luxury SUV there are many better options.

As a go virtually anywhere overlander there are few that will match it, but then again what is the main use case for it? Your's will be different to mine and to others. If you can afford a 100 grand toy and not care about beating it up, then that's a use case. If you are a great outdoorsman and just need someone to get you there and back again it will do that, but there are others, probably more reliable, that will do the same for less money.

The Brits have a saying "horses for courses". Context.

I also got the jacket. It is brand new sitting in its cover and I am mulling over whether to sell it on here to someone who would really appreciate it.

Enjoy your Greny.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

I think that’s a perfect summary for an argument we have all had multiple times - different needs, different priorities, different outcome on the ownership experience. The truck is the same, but we all come from a different perspective and have different needs. It’s all good. In the words of the great Bob Marley, “one love.” Get out and hit it - do stupid stuff in the outdoors and try not to kill yourselves or anyone else.

 

[Zimm]

As someone who drove Defenders and Series vehicles for decades in the UK and Belgium I was well aware of the profile of the car. My Diesel Landies never ate fuel like the Grenadier, but then they didn't go as fast However, there were many options that could have yielded better gas milage that the BMW plant they used. But it is what it is. If you are happy then they did a great job. It just wasn't a good decision for me.

The car has the chops to be one of the best 4x4 vehicles for overlanding and even some quite extreme trails. Whether I wanted to beat up a $107K vehicle in that way was another decision to part with it. I could easily destroy it in less time than the finance payments would have been met. AS a luxury SUV there are many better options.

As a go virtually anywhere overlander there are few that will match it, but then again what is the main use case for it? Your's will be different to mine and to others. If you can afford a 100 grand toy and not care about beating it up, then that's a use case. If you are a great outdoorsman and just need someone to get you there and back again it will do that, but there are others, probably more reliable, that will do the same for less money.

The Brits have a saying "horses for courses". Context.

I also got the jacket. It is brand new sitting in its cover and I am mulling over whether to sell it on here to someone who would really appreciate it.

Enjoy your Greny.

It’s part of the depreciation. Keep it.

 

[Zimm]

I think that’s a perfect summary for an argument we have all had multiple times - different needs, different priorities, different outcome on the ownership experience. The truck is the same, but we all come from a different perspective and have different needs. It’s all good. In the words of the great Bob Marley, “one love.” Get out and hit it - do stupid stuff in the outdoors and try not to kill yourselves or anyone else.

Suddenly the whole world makes sense. I think I can die now.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Suddenly the whole world makes sense. I think I can die now.

Before you shuffle off this mortal coil, please name me in your will, along with your ex-wives and abandoned children. And in the “division of assets” bit - not the “settlement of liabilities” bit.

 

[Max]

Suddenly the whole world makes sense. I think I can die now.

Be a good chap and grab Donny on your way.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

. My Diesel Landies never ate fuel like the Grenadier, but then they didn't go as fast However, there were many options that could have yielded better gas milage that the BMW plant they used.

Hmmm, not sure about that. The thing weighs 2600kg+, big frontal area and the drag coefficient must be awful. This, along with AT tyres on most Grenadiers mean it’s always going to be a thirsty beast.

Perhaps a much smaller 2.0 4 cylinder TD might be a bit better but then we’d all be moaning about it being harsh and gutless (like the LC250) and overpriced for just being a 4 banger (like the LC250).

The b57 can tickle 40mpg in a much lighter, much smaller, less draggy car with proper road tyres. It’s actually quite impressive a Grenadier can almost get to 30mpg with the same engine.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

I must admit I had in my head originally, back in 2021 or whenever it was, that it should have been a 200bhp 4 pot with a 6 speed manual box. I had a transit crew van with 180bhp before my Ineos and it could do a real 35mpg. I guessed a Grenadier would be heavier and more draggy so maybe 30-ish.

 

[Zimm]

Be a good chap and grab Donny on your way.

i've often thought those that choose to leave and do it alone, deserve no sympathy. as such, i have a list.

 

[Zimm]

Hmmm, not sure about that. The thing weighs 2600kg+, big frontal area and the drag coefficient must be awful. This, along with AT tyres on most Grenadiers mean it’s always going to be a thirsty beast.

Perhaps a much smaller 2.0 4 cylinder TD might be a bit better but then we’d all be moaning about it being harsh and gutless (like the LC250) and overpriced for just being a 4 banger (like the LC250).

The b57 can tickle 40mpg in a much lighter, much smaller, less draggy car with proper road tyres. It’s actually quite impressive a Grenadier can almost get to 30mpg with the same engine.

your typical american pickup base engine thats comparable in weight pretty darn big, does 2-3 better in both highway and city. so, theres 10-15% lost in translation somewhere.

 

[Jeremy996]

your typical american pickup base engine thats comparable in weight pretty darn big, does 2-3 better in both highway and city. so, theres 10-15% lost in translation somewhere.

Just squishy tyres (tires!) can do that.

My old, 200Tdi LR110 did a steady 30mpg, (imperial), whereas my Grenadier was around the 26mpg mark, both on the same tyres but the LR110 was 111bhp and the Grenadier 245bhp; the LR110 would cruise at 55-65mph, the Grenadier 70mph to not admitted here!

 

[pmatusov]

your typical american pickup base engine thats comparable in weight pretty darn big, does 2-3 better in both highway and city. so, theres 10-15% lost in translation somewhere.

You should know better than bringing this up.
Of course, a gear-driven transfer case will cost you at least 5% of gas mileage, compared to a full-time chain-driven t-case filled with ATF.

Of the american pickups - Chrysler advertised 2015 Ram 1500's Cd of 0.36 - same as a Subaru STI. 2019+ Chevy Silverado, half-ton, low trim - 0.38.
Now, a regular stiff's F-150 will have a Cd of ~0.404-0.46 (model-dependent); the F-150 Raptor - 0.56. That goes to show how lift and larger tires affect the gas mileage.
My WAG for the Grenadier is 0.52 - less than 0.59 for a 1993 NAS D110, but still a large number. At highway speeds, it translates directly into fuel economy.

Finally, if you drove your Grenadier often, you'd know that it will keep the transmission in gear for engine braking by itself - unlike all Big Three metal that pretty much behave like they are in neutral on downhills. That makes for a large difference - especially in city traffic.

Short of running a diesel in NAS Grenadiers, I don't think any other engine would offer any improvement in fuel economy.