Americas Software Update for ADAS etc. coming in 60 days for NA.

[TCMColorado]

I've liked the videos they have done over the years with the LR3, as well as the towing tests of various larger trucks.

I think the father has gotten a bit haughty and full of himself - but Tommy was genuinely cool to spend an afternoon with.

I am actually in a TFL video from nearly two years ago that is set at the ranch during which I drove my vehicle on their off road course. It was an enjoyable afternoon and Andre is a good dude. But since that time the videos have become too much, too often with too little to say.

 

[bbq4133]

I think the suffer the fate most of the bigger YouTubers do in this space, in that they're chasing clicks and sponsorships with the utmost preference given to folks who will play ball.

 

[ormandj]

Honestly, while I cannot stand them, if the results were a fix for ADAS warnings for the US where it is not required, great. I wish they had loudly proclaimed the oil change/maintenance light couldn’t be reset except at a dealership for those doing self service, nor had the service manual promised been produced. Now there’s rumors it’ll just be an online subscription you pay for?

Someone needs to put Ineos on blast on a large scale so they listen about the fundamentals instead of creating “Arcane” editions while leaving owners with empty promises. I don’t understand all the owner defense this company gets for obvious misses. TFL and others, regardless of their competency, generate a lot of traffic and noise and Ineos will care what they are saying, unlike individual owners.

 

[anand]

TFL and others, regardless of their competency, generate a lot of traffic and noise and Ineos will care what they are saying, unlike individual owners.

At least to Ineos North America, what is posted on this forum is worth its weight in gold over what TFL says. While I'm confident one (or maybe two) departments keep up with media reviews, someone from nearly every department reads this forum

 

[dreamalaska]

Update or not, the vehicle is still spying on you. And we should have a legal right to “opt out”, which, in the USA, we don’t.

https://archive.ph/vrXLY

2024 ADAS Issue and Work Around (USA)

As far as I know, this is a USA Only Issue and Specific to the ADAS System in the 2024 Model. Feel free to skip the Background editorial and go to the Solution! Background I was lucky enough to have an early delivery and picked my Grenadier up on Nov 27th. Scottish White (Love it!), Leather...

www.theineosforum.com

“Ford Motor says customers can turn off data and location sharing with the company. It says it “doesn’t sell any connected-vehicle data to brokers, period.” This is true, they dont sell the data to brokers, THEY SELL DIRECTLY TO COMPANIES AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES WHO PAY FOR THE DATA.

You can run your own vehicle VIN here to see what data is being collected:

Vehicle Privacy Report

Get privacy car facts for FREE by searching your VIN.

vehicleprivacyreport.com

 

[Bruce]

Update or not, the vehicle is still spying on you.

https://archive.ph/vrXLY

FWIW I requested my report and got nothing from Ford or Toyota. Haven't rerun it with the Ineos yet.

 

[drinkmorejava]

Update or not, the vehicle is still spying on you. And we should have a legal right to “opt out”, which we don’t.

https://archive.ph/vrXLY

2024 ADAS Issue and Work Around (USA)

As far as I know, this is a USA Only Issue and Specific to the ADAS System in the 2024 Model. Feel free to skip the Background editorial and go to the Solution! Background I was lucky enough to have an early delivery and picked my Grenadier up on Nov 27th. Scottish White (Love it!), Leather...

www.theineosforum.com

Has anyone located the telemetry module to unplug it or wrap it the antenna in foil? It's not part of the infotainment system in the FCC registration. According to the fuse descriptions it's on the same circuit as the ADAS.

 

[[ Adam ]]

Has anyone located the telemetry module to unplug it or wrap it the antenna in foil? It's not part of the infotainment system in the FCC registration. According to the fuse descriptions it's on the same circuit as the ADAS.

 

[drinkmorejava]

Just crazy enough we don't get a warning light ?!?!?!

 

[Jackattack13]

They can track me all they want as long as the damn clicking stops.

 

[Deleted member 9047666 (user closed account)]

They can track me all they want as long as the damn clicking stops.

That's Funny!

 

[ormandj]

At least to Ineos North America, what is posted on this forum is worth its weight in gold over what TFL says. While I'm confident one (or maybe two) departments keep up with media reviews, someone from nearly every department reads this forum

So why, after a year+ of this forum being full of commentary about the ADAS issue, the service indicator light reset, service manuals, etc have these things not been fixed/addressed? If the opinion of forum members is so high up Ineos NA's priority list, then something doesn't track. There haven't been any official statements I've seen. Mr. Pepper did a pretty good interview with Mr. Hoecvar and there was some information given there, but very guarded and not definitive regarding service manuals.

A slew of reviews come out on the popular YT channels with every single one harping on the ADAS issue in the US, and we've got official word about it with an update coming in short order.

The majority of the vehicle's potential market isn't a forum full of people who have a vested and deep interest in the vehicle, it's the people who don't already own the vehicles and might be deterred from buying them due to the feedback that (like it or not) is far more viewed than anything on this forum. The average buyer isn't going to dig into a forum when looking to purchase a vehicle, they're just going to search Google/YT for "Grenadier review" and get Doug D., TFL, etc.

 

[Krabby]

I think IA values this forum and its members because of quality not quantity. There’s a level of sincerity here that doesn’t exist in the clickbait world of YT.

 

[Tom109]

If IA is going to fix something like we've been discussing, they will fix it right and that is not easily implemented quickly.

 

[255/85]

I'm not fond of the ADAS stuff but my new gripe is the useless waste of battery power every time the doors are unlocked, locked, opened, closed, blah, blah, blah. I'm exaggerating a bit but none of this should be happening until the key is in the ignition and turned to the "on" position. Why does the fuel system have to pressurize when I'm just grabbing something from the glove box? I'm guessing the other electro-mechanical nonsense that ramps up is for the brake servo or maybe the power steering pump. Also, why does the instrument cluster light up but not give any useful information until the ignition is switched on? What's the point?

My guess is that it's all leftover stuff for vehicles with keyless entry and push-to-start buttons on the dash.

 

[landmannnn]

My guess is that it was noticed that the start up time was deemed to be too long if you just jumped on board and drove away.

The solution (hack) was to trigger the system when the doors were opened.

 

[[ Adam ]]

So why, after a year+ of this forum being full of commentary about the ADAS issue, the service indicator light reset, service manuals, etc have these things not been fixed/addressed? If the opinion of forum members is so high up Ineos NA's priority list, then something doesn't track.

Because things take time.

 

[nodric]

I read many of the comments on manufacturers tracking and selling your data. Anyone who buys a full computer with wheels (electric cars) should not be surprised by this, but I am quite aggravated that ICE vehicles are no better.

I worked for Toyota for 16 years, and in my latter role I was with the connected car side of the business. I can tell you Toyota have been collecting and selling data for years to all manner of partners, BUT, they do require you to agree to that. They do that by having that warning come up on the infotainment screen, which if you say no to won't work or works with very limited functionality, so the reality is if you buy a car and want to use the tech you are forced to agree to whatever they desire. Your smart TV, Roku, Firestick, AppleTV, and all those social media apps you use do the same thing. If you order anything online, ditto. You are living in 1984. Data is the new oil as they say, and AI and LLMs feed on data. You are, as someone remarked, the product. You are a commodity to be exploited and traded for wealth in the land of extreme greed.

Buy a 1960s car and throw away all connected gadgets if you want to be free.

Having said all this, I just used the Opt Out here to see how effective that proves.

 

[parb]

The expectation of privacy on the Internet is really a generational divide. The younger generation has no expectation of it. It's mostly older folks who care and even that is dying out as that group to has become number to persistent tracking on the Internet.

Entire companies exists solely on the idea of getting to know you so they can sell that knowledge to companies to let them become more efficient and marketing to you (yes I'm looking at you Google, Facebook, tik tok and Instagram).

These philosophies entered the industrial base where devices in our daily life tracks you. You either opt in or your product becomes less capable.

Some of this is truly legit, you can improve the underlying technology with telemetry. Proactive maintenance is a great example of this.

My point is that complaining of telemetry is largely a generational divide, and this won't change as those who tend to dislike tracking with passion is on the wrong side of the average...

Yes, I've come to realize that I'm old... ;(

 

[ormandj]

If IA is going to fix something like we've been discussing, they will fix it right and that is not easily implemented quickly.

Implementing a country-specific change to make a setting permanent vs temporary, when the ability to make permanent settings already exists and country-specific differentiation already exists means this is an easy change from a technical perspective. Regulatory burdens would be the only major hurdle, are you aware of any governing the infotainment updated and recertification or ADAS speed warnings in the US? I say this as someone with significant experience in embedded systems design both from an EE as well as CS perspective. The change itself cannot possibly have been difficult.

Perhaps its sheer coincidence that the update was announced shortly after a bunch of very high profile reviewers called out the ADAS situation in the US.

I just don’t understand why anybody, especially an owner, would defend the inability to reset a maintenance interval light on a vehicle specifically sold to be self serviceable. I can do that on my Volvo, my Toyota, my Jeep, and every other car I’ve owned in the past. I have the same gripes on other promises, such as the service manual. My vehicles which were not sold as minimally electronic vehicles don’t bother me with ADAS speed warnings, even though they are sold in countries that require them, too. I’ll leave the topic alone now.