So where are all the first impressions? (right here)

[DaBull]

In regards to the vibrations some are experiencing on their new Grenadiers, I just posted a new thread labeled "Vibration At Certain RPM".
Perhaps a place to start a discussion of the issue and find out what is causing it and how it might be resolved. I had similar issues with
2 Range Rover Sports and on the thread I posted the causes and cures. Da Bull

Vibrations at certain RPM

In regards to the vibrations many seem to be feeling on their new Grenadiers, it reminded me of having the same thing happen on a couple of my Range Rover Sports, where I was feeling a vibration at certain rpm’s through my steering wheel. One was related to the tires/rims needing much better...

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[DaBull]

Some first observations:

• Surprisingly quiet at 60-70mph given the upright windscreen and boxy shape. I too noticed some vibration at a certain cruising speed as others have mentioned. Will see if this settles down as the car loosens up.
• The TPMS (tyre pressure system) kept alerting me to 2 tyres being slightly high. Will measure the pressure tomorrow and adjust if necessary but it might be a gremlin that INEOS will fine tune in a next update. The local agent said that INEOS may release further updates to iron out some early gremlins.
• The touch screen shows an incredible amount of useful info. It can be hard to see in bright sunlight. I would have preferred it to be slightly angled towards the driver.
• The car was handed over with a full tank of diesel which was nice. And it had about 20 miles on the clock.
• Android Auto - needs to be plugged in to the USB-C port for Google Maps to work etc - yuck.
• Audio is OK. Not much bass. But haven't tried the equaliser yet.
• Auto transmission is fab, and can be surprisingly punchy when overtaking!
• Boy does the car get plenty of looks - "what the hell is it?"
• The car had some paint scuffs on the drivers door sill which will be seen to by the agent when I return to have the accessories fitted.
• All in all extremely happy. LOVE it.

Hi Beormund, In regard to using stainless screws on aluminum or for that matter any dissimilar type of metal fasteners, I use TuF-Gel, which is a teflon paste used in the marine environment often. A bit expensive, however a little goes a very long way. It isolates different metals from each other to stop or help prevent galvanic corrosion and makes it easier to remove a fastener later on too. Here's a link where I purchased some. Da Bull

Ultra Tef Gel Tub, TG-2T by Ultra Safety Systems

ULTRA

www.go2marine.com

 

[Cheshire cat]

Hi Beormund, In regard to using stainless screws on aluminum or for that matter any dissimilar type of metal fasteners, I use TuF-Gel, which is a teflon paste used in the marine environment often. A bit expensive, however a little goes a very long way. It isolates different metals from each other to stop or help prevent galvanic corrosion and makes it easier to remove a fastener later on too. Here's a link where I purchased some. Da Bull

Ultra Tef Gel Tub, TG-2T by Ultra Safety Systems

ULTRA

www.go2marine.com

I see it is available on Amazon UK so will order some.

 

[emax]

@ all. What are your experiences with rust converters. Which product do you prefer? spray or liquid? I hope I don't need any for the new car that's still waiting at the dealer.

Owatrol.

This is linseed oil based and combines with the rust, which is trapped and neutralized in this way. It is brushed on and you can paint over it after a while.

A miracle cure among the classic car freaks in Germany.

Expensive, but you get what you pay for. But you only need a small amount. A 125ml can is more than enough for what you want to do.

Trocknungszeit : 12 Std. - Überstreichbar nach : 24 bis 48 h.

OWATROL-ÖL

owatrol-international.com

PS: It is a French company. In this particular case, that's a mark of quality because it once was probably developed for French cars and thus for the toughest rust problems of all.

 

[Tom Frankonia]

My castle in front of a castle, Bavaria Germany Spring 23

 

[DCPU]

This is the tape and how it looks once applied. Needs very clean paint work.. you’ll need a sharp craft knife to fettle it in as it wider than you need.

You really hope this guy never puts anything in his back pockets...

 

[Ever Pragmatic]

You really hope this guy never puts anything in his back pockets...
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He looks like he enjoys his pommes frites. ..

 

[DCPU]

Titanium is even lighter , so he can reduce the GVM a tiny tiny bit!

Would it change the GVM; or just increase payload?

 

[DCPU]

@ all. What are your experiences with rust converters. Which product do you prefer? spray or liquid? I hope I don't need any for the new car that's still waiting at the dealer.

For that amount of surface rust, I'd just use some wet & dry/sandpaper.

 

[DCPU]

BTW, there IS roadside assistance in the UK according to my local agent. I will get 2 years AA membership through the post shortly arranged by INEOS.

I always thought roadside assistance should mirror the warranty term?

 

[Eric]

Thanks (what a Prat)never had one that locks before

Because it is not joyless

I always thought roadside assistance should mirror the warranty term?

Agree I've not seen a difference with any other manufacturer. Makes you wonder if you had a breakdown in years 3 - 5 you could recover your recovery cost from IG as a civil claim whilst being covered by a warranty

 

[Logsplitter]

Hi guys,
As promised, I'm getting back in touch to share some news with you. I will try to address a few of the issues you have raised in various threads.
1) Colour MM in different lighting conditions. I have photographed in the forest (shade) and in the field (sun). I'm glad I stuck with it thanks to my family's persistence. In the meantime, I had considered Sela Green.
2) Personally, I find it a pity that there are no storage compartments in the rear. Here I help myself out with boxes or bags to store my utensils. The tabs on the plastic covers (e.g. in front of the jack) will certainly become harder at some point and may break off. This could have been solved better with twist locks, like on the first aid kit.
3) The plastic protection on the door sills is too small in my opinion. I'm sure there will soon be the first scratches in the paintwork.
4) I haven't really got to grips with the heating/ventilation/air conditioning system yet. In automatic mode, heated air comes out of the nozzles in the middle and on the floor. However, a cool draught blows directly in front of the windscreen. I have not yet managed to get these warm as well.
5) The software problems have not been solved in my opinion. Shortly after starting, I got a message about a fault in the gearbox. It then went out and did not reappear. We then drove about 30 km on a country road. Without any error message.
The 30 km drive back was annoying, though. Immediately after starting the vehicle, the seat belt warning light flashed and every second there was an acoustic triad like a xylophone. I turned the vehicle off several times, switched off the engine, locked the vehicle, opened and restarted it - no change. At the same time, the power steering warning came on, and after a restart, the PDC warning also came on. When I got home, I turned the engine off again and restarted it. The warning light was still flashing, but the beautiful monotonous triad was only now gone. Now I will leave the Grenadier alone and wait for tomorrow. However, the acoustic signal could not be acknowledged or switched off.
6) At 1800-1900 revolutions, the vehicle enters a natural frequency. Slight vibrations of plastic parts in the area of the glove compartment and the load compartment are audible. Due to the sheet metal trim in the rear and the load compartment partition, this is certainly stronger than with the windows installed.
Under load (when the engine has to work) you notice a rougher ride at this speed than when driving downhill. This is not surprising. From my experience, however, I wouldn't consider this a big problem. First wait and see.
7) I find the USB ports in the middle box inconveniently placed. Cables or USB sticks are in the middle of the box. If you are careless or reach in roughly, you can tear them off. I am looking for another solution.

Looks like mine . Very disappointing re the software issues. Agreed on the usb charging points a solution needed. Hopefully someone will share a neat easy solution. Hope you get the gremlins fixed ASAP.

 

[Spjnr]

Such a great colour! hopefully your gremlins get sorted. Out of interest, was yours sitting around for a while? I'm wondering whether any of these problems are battery voltage related? Many vehicles have been sitting around for weeks even months, and battery issues often result in weird glitches and gremilns....

 

[Trialmaster]

Hi guys,
As promised, I'm getting back in touch to share some news with you. I will try to address a few of the issues you have raised in various threads.
1) Colour MM in different lighting conditions. I have photographed in the forest (shade) and in the field (sun). I'm glad I stuck with it thanks to my family's persistence. In the meantime, I had considered Sela Green.
2) Personally, I find it a pity that there are no storage compartments in the rear. Here I help myself out with boxes or bags to store my utensils. The tabs on the plastic covers (e.g. in front of the jack) will certainly become harder at some point and may break off. This could have been solved better with twist locks, like on the first aid kit.
3) The plastic protection on the door sills is too small in my opinion. I'm sure there will soon be the first scratches in the paintwork.
4) I haven't really got to grips with the heating/ventilation/air conditioning system yet. In automatic mode, heated air comes out of the nozzles in the middle and on the floor. However, a cool draught blows directly in front of the windscreen. I have not yet managed to get these warm as well.
5) The software problems have not been solved in my opinion. Shortly after starting, I got a message about a fault in the gearbox. It then went out and did not reappear. We then drove about 30 km on a country road. Without any error message.
The 30 km drive back was annoying, though. Immediately after starting the vehicle, the seat belt warning light flashed and every second there was an acoustic triad like a xylophone. I turned the vehicle off several times, switched off the engine, locked the vehicle, opened and restarted it - no change. At the same time, the power steering warning came on, and after a restart, the PDC warning also came on. When I got home, I turned the engine off again and restarted it. The warning light was still flashing, but the beautiful monotonous triad was only now gone. Now I will leave the Grenadier alone and wait for tomorrow. However, the acoustic signal could not be acknowledged or switched off.
6) At 1800-1900 revolutions, the vehicle enters a natural frequency. Slight vibrations of plastic parts in the area of the glove compartment and the load compartment are audible. Due to the sheet metal trim in the rear and the load compartment partition, this is certainly stronger than with the windows installed.
Under load (when the engine has to work) you notice a rougher ride at this speed than when driving downhill. This is not surprising. From my experience, however, I wouldn't consider this a big problem. First wait and see.
7) I find the USB ports in the middle box inconveniently placed. Cables or USB sticks are in the middle of the box. If you are careless or reach in roughly, you can tear them off. I am looking for another solution.

Wow - thanks for the honest write up - not impressed with the software issues. Hope they sort it soon.

 

[Cheshire cat]

A little embarrassing for those of us that shirked Land Rover for their software issues. I was hoping that with half the ECU’s (allegedly) the software would be far more robust.

 

[Highwayman]

4) I haven't really got to grips with the heating/ventilation/air conditioning system yet. In automatic mode, heated air comes out of the nozzles in the middle and on the floor. However, a cool draught blows directly in front of the windscreen. I have not yet managed to get these warm as well.
5) The software problems have not been solved in my opinion. Shortly after starting, I got a message about a fault in the gearbox. It then went out and did not reappear. We then drove about 30 km on a country road. Without any error message.
The 30 km drive back was annoying, though. Immediately after starting the vehicle, the seat belt warning light flashed and every second there was an acoustic triad like a xylophone. I turned the vehicle off several times, switched off the engine, locked the vehicle, opened and restarted it - no change. At the same time, the power steering warning came on, and after a restart, the PDC warning also came on. When I got home, I turned the engine off again and restarted it. The warning light was still flashing, but the beautiful monotonous triad was only now gone. Now I will leave the Grenadier alone and wait for tomorrow. However, the acoustic signal could not be acknowledged or switched off.
6) At 1800-1900 revolutions, the vehicle enters a natural frequency. Slight vibrations of plastic parts in the area of the glove compartment and the load compartment are audible. Due to the sheet metal trim in the rear and the load compartment partition, this is certainly stronger than with the windows installed.
Under load (when the engine has to work) you notice a rougher ride at this speed than when driving downhill. This is not surprising. From my experience, however, I wouldn't consider this a big problem. First wait and see.

I’ve just got back from six hours driving today in mine - nothing exciting, sadly.

However, I too struggled to get the HVAC to work consistently to a set temperature. I noticed after a while that when you turn the temp dial, it shows the temp (in degrees) on the central screen for a few seconds. However, pressing the Auto button, didn’t hold the temperature. It just kept blowing cold air. Switch off the Auto button, and it blew hot air - without changing the temperature.

Would love to hear if anyone has mastered it.

I also had a few software issues, with a few spurious warnings (Climate Control, PDC, a few others). Turned on and off a few times, some persisted, others cleared. Then I tried switching the ignition on and leaving the car for about 30 seconds. Seemed to go through all its checks. Then I started it. No more spurious warnings, for the three hour journey home.

Might be worth giving it a try and see what happens.

Finally, I have zero vibration at any rpm. Just smooth all the way through.

Hope this helps

 

[Tazzieman]

Finally, I have zero vibration at any rpm. Just smooth all the way through.

Petrol or diesel?

 

[grenadierboy]

For that amount of surface rust, I'd just use some wet & dry/sandpaper.

@ all. What are your experiences with rust converters. Which product do you prefer? spray or liquid? I hope I don't need any for the new car that's still waiting at the dealer.

Agree with DCPU.

There is effectively no rust to apply a converter & sealer to!

It's super thin surface rust - simply wipe it away with steel wool/600 grit sand paper

Get a tiny paint brush - apply one coat of metal etch primer & couple of coats of satin epoxy enamel.

 

[grenadierboy]

Hi guys,
As promised, I'm getting back in touch to share some news with you. I will try to address a few of the issues you have raised in various threads.
1) Colour MM in different lighting conditions. I have photographed in the forest (shade) and in the field (sun). I'm glad I stuck with it thanks to my family's persistence. In the meantime, I had considered Sela Green.
2) Personally, I find it a pity that there are no storage compartments in the rear. Here I help myself out with boxes or bags to store my utensils. The tabs on the plastic covers (e.g. in front of the jack) will certainly become harder at some point and may break off. This could have been solved better with twist locks, like on the first aid kit.
3) The plastic protection on the door sills is too small in my opinion. I'm sure there will soon be the first scratches in the paintwork.
4) I haven't really got to grips with the heating/ventilation/air conditioning system yet. In automatic mode, heated air comes out of the nozzles in the middle and on the floor. However, a cool draught blows directly in front of the windscreen. I have not yet managed to get these warm as well.
5) The software problems have not been solved in my opinion. Shortly after starting, I got a message about a fault in the gearbox. It then went out and did not reappear. We then drove about 30 km on a country road. Without any error message.
The 30 km drive back was annoying, though. Immediately after starting the vehicle, the seat belt warning light flashed and every second there was an acoustic triad like a xylophone. I turned the vehicle off several times, switched off the engine, locked the vehicle, opened and restarted it - no change. At the same time, the power steering warning came on, and after a restart, the PDC warning also came on. When I got home, I turned the engine off again and restarted it. The warning light was still flashing, but the beautiful monotonous triad was only now gone. Now I will leave the Grenadier alone and wait for tomorrow. However, the acoustic signal could not be acknowledged or switched off.
6) At 1800-1900 revolutions, the vehicle enters a natural frequency. Slight vibrations of plastic parts in the area of the glove compartment and the load compartment are audible. Due to the sheet metal trim in the rear and the load compartment partition, this is certainly stronger than with the windows installed.
Under load (when the engine has to work) you notice a rougher ride at this speed than when driving downhill. This is not surprising. From my experience, however, I wouldn't consider this a big problem. First wait and see.
7) I find the USB ports in the middle box inconveniently placed. Cables or USB sticks are in the middle of the box. If you are careless or reach in roughly, you can tear them off. I am looking for another solution.

Thanks Rovie.

Amazing how MM changes colour. It often looks like SW and other times almost pink.

Software issues - I would give it a few more drives and then take car back to the agent if it continues - maybe the "update" was not completed correctly.

 

[Schoeniman]

Picked up a tiny design flaw earlier today…. It’s been raining and the gren was out in it.. I opened both the rear doors and popped my head in to reach some stuff and got a stream of water right down my neck. It seems the inner water seal fills with water and it gushes out when your open the doors and release the pressure. I took this photo to show you what I’m talking about.. It was dripping by then, but it was a stream to start with.

I was on flat ground and apart from getting a wet neck, the water didn’t fall inside the load area. It did splash against the top of the rear bumper..

Unfortunately true! Had the same problem yesterday…