Sir Jim pours more money into Ineos Automotive.

From the Independent,

Man United owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe pours nearly £600m into his car project
Ineos Automotive, which makes the Grenadier offroader, now owes the rest of Sir Jim’s chemical-making empire €2.43bn after it borrowed €710m more

Howard Mustoe
1 day ago

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[Tazzieman]

 

[255/85]

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What? Do they swim over?

 

[landmannnn]

I think the sign refers to a Rugby team.

 

[Tazzieman]

What? Do they swim over?

No, silly!
Like the spiders, rabbits and possums, they blew over from Australia.

 

[Logsplitter]

We saw plenty of Wallabies when hiking in New Zealand they are a pest like many other species the Europeans introduced, such as stoats, cats, foxes, possums, pigs, deer etc.

 

[255/85]

We saw plenty of Wallabies when hiking in New Zealand they are a pest like many other species the Europeans introduced, such as stoats, cats, foxes, possums, pigs, deer etc.

We got starlings. Like rats with wings. Ew.

 

[DaveB]

We saw plenty of Wallabies when hiking in New Zealand they are a pest like many other species the Europeans introduced, such as stoats, cats, foxes, possums, pigs, deer etc.

New Zealand was one of the last countries in the world to be inhabited. Just 800 years ago.
Despite some people laying claim to being the only true owners.
Unfortunately the first settlers killed and ate everything in sight.
The next wave of settlers from UK brought all their favourite animals with them.
Seems to have been a theme.
Then people from Australia took their favourite pests over with them.
A never ending cycle.

 

[Paco Garcia]

Hello friends, I do not want to be misunderstood, far from it is my intention to offend anyone, but I have been observing for some time that when a colleague opens a thread with information that may be interesting for various reasons, we begin to divert the issue from the main topic, surely also with interesting topics but that have nothing to do with the topic that was raised at the beginning, completely distorting the reason why the thread was opened, and this thread in which I write, is a magnificent example to illustrate what I am proposing, @NQ94 opens the thread to report a new injection of capital in AI, and we end up talking about possums in New Zealand, let's see, the subject of pests can also be very interesting and instructive, but if it really is for the community, we should open a thread about it so that when you enter a certain thread you know what you are entering and you can keep track of the information that was raised at the beginning, the same thing happens when we insist on maintaining a conversation / dispute within a thread with another colleague, who does not contribute anything to the topic in question, and we spend three pages of the thread answering each other (sometimes disrespectfully), without knowing how to get out of the loop.
Sorry for the long post, but I honestly believe that if we stay faithful to the topic that was raised at the beginning, the forum will grow in a respectful way and will better fulfill its purpose, and will also be more productive when we try for whatever reason to recover information previously discussed. A hug

Paco Garcia

PS: I don't know how the Google translation will turn out, I hope it doesn't distort my comment too much

 

[Logsplitter]

You are right. The thread is so distorted along with many others that I thought it was about New Zealand pests. Hence my replies. I should look at the thread title before replying in future.

 

[255/85]

When I'm searching for info on other forums and a thread goes off-topic it'll tick me off. Oddly it doesn't bother me too much around here as there's fairly diverse group of members with a broad range of experiences but I'll try and be good. Sigh.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Hello friends, I do not want to be misunderstood, far from it is my intention to offend anyone, but I have been observing for some time that when a colleague opens a thread with information that may be interesting for various reasons, we begin to divert the issue from the main topic, surely also with interesting topics but that have nothing to do with the topic that was raised at the beginning, completely distorting the reason why the thread was opened, and this thread in which I write, is a magnificent example to illustrate what I am proposing, @NQ94 opens the thread to report a new injection of capital in AI, and we end up talking about possums in New Zealand, let's see, the subject of pests can also be very interesting and instructive, but if it really is for the community, we should open a thread about it so that when you enter a certain thread you know what you are entering and you can keep track of the information that was raised at the beginning, the same thing happens when we insist on maintaining a conversation / dispute within a thread with another colleague, who does not contribute anything to the topic in question, and we spend three pages of the thread answering each other (sometimes disrespectfully), without knowing how to get out of the loop.
Sorry for the long post, but I honestly believe that if we stay faithful to the topic that was raised at the beginning, the forum will grow in a respectful way and will better fulfill its purpose, and will also be more productive when we try for whatever reason to recover information previously discussed. A hug

Paco Garcia

PS: I don't know how the Google translation will turn out, I hope it doesn't distort my comment too much

Maybe it’s just a sign a topic is dead. Infusion of capital. Encouraging sign of commitment or a sign of failure? Couple rounds of baseless conjecture. So - how ‘bout those wallabies? Maybe that could just be our forum code for a topic that has been beaten to a pulp and it’s time to put it out of its misery. “So, wallabies.” “Yup.”

 

[CRH]

Hello friends, I do not want to be misunderstood, far from it is my intention to offend anyone, but I have been observing for some time that when a colleague opens a thread with information that may be interesting for various reasons, we begin to divert the issue from the main topic, surely also with interesting topics but that have nothing to do with the topic that was raised at the beginning, completely distorting the reason why the thread was opened, and this thread in which I write, is a magnificent example to illustrate what I am proposing, @NQ94 opens the thread to report a new injection of capital in AI, and we end up talking about possums in New Zealand, let's see, the subject of pests can also be very interesting and instructive, but if it really is for the community, we should open a thread about it so that when you enter a certain thread you know what you are entering and you can keep track of the information that was raised at the beginning, the same thing happens when we insist on maintaining a conversation / dispute within a thread with another colleague, who does not contribute anything to the topic in question, and we spend three pages of the thread answering each other (sometimes disrespectfully), without knowing how to get out of the loop.
Sorry for the long post, but I honestly believe that if we stay faithful to the topic that was raised at the beginning, the forum will grow in a respectful way and will better fulfill its purpose, and will also be more productive when we try for whatever reason to recover information previously discussed. A hug

Paco Garcia

PS: I don't know how the Google translation will turn out, I hope it doesn't distort my comment too much

I have thought we need a thread for talking nonsense and general waffle

 

[bigleonski]

I have thought we need a thread for talking nonsense and general waffle

You mean like this one, or 1500 others like it.

 

[Dual Grenny Guy]

I have thought we need a thread for talking nonsense and general waffle

You mean like this one, or 1500 others like it.

Yep Kind of like this thread, AGAIN?! This eventually happens to about 90% of all threads on this forum & I am just as guilty of the crime as many other members as we just seem to get along and have similar interests outside Grenadier ownership……..So what is this I hear about Sir Jim pouring money?

 

[CRH]

Yep Kind of like this thread, AGAIN?! This eventually happens to about 90% of all threads on this forum & I am just as guilty of the crime as many other members as we just seem to get along and have similar interests outside Grenadier ownership……..So what is this I hear about Sir Jim pouring money?
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I have started a thread for 'nonsense & waffle' please participate

 

[bikesandguitars]

Me personally, I can’t wait for 2025 when the production starts back up and then waiting another 5 plus years later reading about the same detractors saying the brand is still going under. We will see who prevails, and in MY heart and mind I honestly feel it will be the Ineos Grenadier! I believe it will be a vehicle to last many years/decades. I have never seen a product have such a large number of people wanting it to fail. The negative people, I won’t name you but we all know who they are, will say they don’t feel that way. However, you all must not be reading your own posts. I will end with this, regardless of who turns out to be right, I will own at least 2 of the coolest vehicles on the planet and will have them until I’m gone. Now all you non-owning negative posters come at me with ya best shot……

Edit: btw Grenadier owners aren’t you all pleased to read this article as it appears for now Sir. Jim is not gonna let this project go down? I personally don’t care where the money comes from (personal funds, other businesses under the same umbrella, new business partner, a loan shark ), as it shows his commitment to the Grenadier. Hell if he does open a plant in the USA I may even come out of retirement to go to work for Ineos, well that’s if they don’t do a psych eval on possible new hires…..

You need to spend time on the Tacoma / Tundra forums. The new prices along with the new Toyota engines - one being a gas hybrid and the other occasionally self destructing - are causing the enthusiasts to have an absolute meltdown.

 

[bikesandguitars]

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Ineos either owns or are partners in the largest chemical plants in China. They’re pulling in more cash in a year than the automotive division could burn through in a decade.

There - now we’re back on topic.

 

[Dual Grenny Guy]

You need to spend time on the Tacoma / Tundra forums. The new prices along with the new Toyota engines - one being a gas hybrid and the other occasionally self destructing - are causing the enthusiasts to have an absolute meltdown.

Hahaha funny you said that as I have a 2022 Tundra and it has that twin turbo v6 that’s causing all the issues, but the crazy part is I don’t belong to any forum for Toyotas. I do go check their forums every so often for updates or info (I haven’t had any issue with my Tundra yet, ), but this shows how much I LOVE the Grenadier. To join my very first forum ever AND to start posting in it is way above my norm, but this Grenadier has woken something up inside I literally haven’t felt since my military days. It’s hard for me to explain, but I have no doubt most of you get it!! Constantly thinking about driving it, adding more custom parts to it, coming on here to check the threads and add posts, etc etc. it’s frickin addictive man!!!!!! Here is my Tundra, which I do like, but doesn’t hold a candle to the Grenny’s and that’s my opinion as an owner/driver of both…..

 

[bikesandguitars]

Hahaha funny you said that as I have a 2022 Tundra and it has that twin turbo v6 that’s causing all the issues, but the crazy part is I don’t belong to any forum for Toyotas. I do go check their forums every so often for updates or info (I haven’t had any issue with my Tundra yet, ), but this shows how much I LOVE the Grenadier. To join my very first forum ever AND to start posting in it is way above my norm, but this Grenadier has woken something up inside I literally haven’t felt since my military days. It’s hard for me to explain, but I have no doubt most of you get it!! Constantly thinking about driving it, adding more custom parts to it, coming on here to check the threads and add posts, etc etc. it’s frickin addictive man!!!!!! Here is my Tundra, which I do like, but doesn’t hold a candle to the Grenny’s and that’s my opinion as an owner/driver of both…..

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Great minds think alike!
Here is my ‘22 Tundra TRD Pro - (sold it when I bought my first Grenny but recently acquired the new Tacoma TRD Pro - I need a pickup)
I’m also former US Army -
and I also own two Grenadiers!

 

[Dual Grenny Guy]

I have started a thread for 'nonsense & waffle' please participate

Looking for it now……heck I may never leave that thread…..I have lots of nonsense…..