Sir Jim doesn't like the front design?

[emax]

extra large "Cibie" spots

The 70ies come to my mind ...

Didn't know they still exist.

 

[stickshifter]

 

[DaveB]

I hope we can get the roo bar in NA - it makes the front end look better.

@DaveB - the roo bar on "your" truck shows it wrapping around and down the wheel well, but the recent pics I've seen do not have that. Thoughts?

Mine has the roo bar and the side protection rails which go from the roo bar to the side steps

 

[Dallas_TX_Grenadier]

I hope we can get the roo bar in NA - it makes the front end look better.

@DaveB - the roo bar on "your" truck shows it wrapping around and down the wheel well, but the recent pics I've seen do not have that. Thoughts?

I would kill for a roo bar in NA. If I can't, I'll order the parts (might need steel bumper too) from Australia and ship to the USA.

 

[Krabby]

I would kill for a roo bar in NA. If I can't, I'll order the parts (might need steel bumper too) from Australia and ship to the USA.

Could be a group buy!

 

[DaveB]

Could be a group buy!

Went out to close the back door yesterday and this little wallaby was out the back
Wallabies tend to hang around in small family groups of 3 or 4 rather than the large mobs of 20+ that kangaroos prefer.
I was up at my holiday house a couple of weeks ago and 5am drive to the shops just after sunrise and I had a mob of about 50 roos cross the road in front of me.

 

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I am watching the videos on the IG site and in this video it sounds like Sir Jim doesn't like the front design? About the 4:26 min mark:

Ep 12 behind the INEOS Grenadier

The man who made it all possible, see what INEOS Automotive owner Jim Ratcliffe has to say about the vehicle's design, capabilities and its future. Read more.

ineosgrenadier.com

My American ears might not be hearing correctly.

Overall, a really nice interview and my first exposure to Sir Jim.

Don't tell everyone that sir Jim envisions it being electric eventually. Going to ruffle some feathers around here.

 

[PanoramaJJ]

Maybe there will be some aftermarket bumpers…

I am hoping for after market bumpers (metal), too. In Germany the heavy metal bumpers are called "Geräteträger" (equipment carrier). But for a complete "Roo bar" als Dave B showed today at 5.35h a.m. on the foto below - you don´t get a chance that it will be allowed - because of "pedestrian protection".
In my personal opinion: When you are 80 Kilogramms heavy, and you crash with a car that comes with 50 km/h and 3.000 Kilogramms masse - it is not a theme whether these 3 tons are built so or built in another way - you have a very bad chance! 3 soft tons or 3 hard tons (even electric) - they throw you away for ten or twenty meters - that´s the point!
My Toyota´s got a after market bumper - simply steel. No winch. I love it. I drive carefully - that´s the best pedestrian protection!

 

[Krabby]

Don't tell everyone that sir Jim envisions it being electric eventually. Going to ruffle some feathers around here.

In some ways, this makes sense if part of the IGs target audience is mining, agriculture, etc. where the miles traveled in a workday are minimal. The truck can easily handle the off-road nature of each of these areas, and then the trucks could be charged nightly and have plenty of range for the workday itself. I think about this all the time here where mail trucks and school busses should all be electric - they are out in the real word, but travel less than 150 miles the entire day.

 

[Krabby]

I am hoping for after market bumpers (metal), too. In Germany the heavy metal bumpers are called "Geräteträger" (equipment carrier). But for a complete "Roo bar" als Dave B showed today at 5.35h a.m. on the foto below - you don´t get a chance that it will be allowed - because of "pedestrian protection".
In my personal opinion: When you are 80 Kilogramms heavy, and you crash with a car that comes with 50 km/h and 3.000 Kilogramms masse - it is not a theme whether these 3 tons are built so or built in another way - you have a very bad chance! 3 soft tons or 3 hard tons (even electric) - they throw you away for ten or twenty meters - that´s the point!
My Toyota´s got a after market bumper - simply steel. No winch. I love it. I drive carefully - that´s the best pedestrian protection!

I say the same thing - even in our Honda Fit/Jazz, little and light as it is, would clobber someone at 35 or 40 mph. The issue in that situation has very little to do with the bumper. but rather Newton's law that F=MA

 

[Trialmaster]

The 70ies come to my mind ...

Didn't know they still exist.

Child of the 70's - yep even LED versions.

 

[bemax]

I am hoping for after market bumpers (metal), too. In Germany the heavy metal bumpers are called "Geräteträger" (equipment carrier). But for a complete "Roo bar" als Dave B showed today at 5.35h a.m. on the foto below - you don´t get a chance that it will be allowed - because of "pedestrian protection".
In my personal opinion: When you are 80 Kilogramms heavy, and you crash with a car that comes with 50 km/h and 3.000 Kilogramms masse - it is not a theme whether these 3 tons are built so or built in another way - you have a very bad chance! 3 soft tons or 3 hard tons (even electric) - they throw you away for ten or twenty meters - that´s the point!
My Toyota´s got an after market bumper - simply steel. No winch. I love it. I drive carefully - that´s the best pedestrian protection!

I really would like to have the steel bumper as well. But I do not follow your argument.
If you crash into a concrete wall with 100 km/h the airbag and seat belt won’t help you. But it will when you hit the wall with 40 km/h. So the bumper might not help the poor pedestrian that will be hit with 50 km/h but the one you hit with 20 km/h.
So we have to face the fact that we do want the steel bumper despite the fact that it is not as safe for others.
It’s always a trade off in life.

 

[DaveB]

I really would like to have the steel bumper as well. But I do not follow your argument.
If you crash into a concrete wall with 100 km/h the airbag and seat belt won’t help you. But it will when you hit the wall with 40 km/h. So the bumper might not help the poor pedestrian that will be hit with 50 km/h but the one you hit with 20 km/h.
So we have to face the fact that we do want the steel bumper despite the fact that it is not as safe for others.
It’s always a trade off in life.

Maybe someone should ask/answer the question of why so many pedestrians are getting hit by cars.

 

[bemax]

Maybe someone should ask/answer the question of why so many pedestrians are getting hit by cars.

Because they move out of their territory?

 

[Eric]

Maybe someone should ask/answer the question of why so many pedestrians are getting hit by cars.

They are testing plastic bumpers?

 

[rovie]

Because they move out of their territory?

Who, the drivers?

 

[bemax]

Who, the drivers?

With bad luck they as well!

 

[PanoramaJJ]

Oh what a horrible discussion! But I like it... black humor?
(I like the "english humor very much). Who knows "Little Britain?"
DRIVE CAREFULLY!

 

[Shaky]

Oh what a horrible discussion! But I like it... black humor?
(I like the "english humor very much). Who knows "Little Britain?"
DRIVE CAREFULLY!

This is a local forum for local people

 

[Jean Mercier]

Oh what a horrible discussion! But I like it... black humor?
(I like the "english humor very much). Who knows "Little Britain?"
DRIVE CAREFULLY!

Black humor indeed ... but indeed a horrible discussion.
Steel bumper in Europe? Not needed. (IMHO)
The difference at 20 km/h or 30 km/h is worth the law for a plastic bumper.
In Australia it is perhaps different, been there, the first Kangaroo's I saw were "flat" Kangaroo's. Can happen in Europe too of course, but more often with pedestrians than with deer.

I completely agree with 30km/h speed limit in towns (in several major cities in my country), even at night.