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Fantastic manual. Great info and detail.
No, that one is 4,500kg, the Grenadier one is 5,500kg and the case is different
No ~ they appear to have cut & pasted from this Explorer 2 Manual and then forgotten to swap out all the references.
Does not appear to be attached?
is there an isolator switch on your IG?
There is a switch on the roof panel
The shorter winch line is actually more ideal for real world scenarios. The peak pulling power of the winch occurs with ~10-11 wraps of winch line on the drum (~the 2m difference between "total length" and "available" length in the document); very rarely are people actually connected to something 60-80ft away, usually it's around 30ft. At that point on a "normal" winch (with 70-900ft of line), you're nowhere near peak pulling strength. It's pretty common practice to actually cut the winch line down (assuming synthetic rope) on "traditional" winches, and keep the extra bit as a "free" winch line extension, for those rare scenarios when you do need >50ft of reach.
Keep your eye out for this:
Correct it is custom built for the Grenadier, both the need for custom and the relatively short rope length dictated by the need to incorporate into a globally compliant platform where the winch and bumper are part of the type approvals and safety requirements etc. When you throw a big Warn boat anchor on the fromt aftermarket you don’t have to go through all that.
Firstly the Grenadier winch isnt the commercially available one you are referencing, secondly the line length and drum size is dictated by the space you have available to fit it not by safety regulations. The safety regulations are likely what dictated the placement and subsequently the size of the space. They put as much rope on as they could fit in the space.Yes, understood, however you have more options and better mechanical advantage with a simple snatch block/ring and slightly longer line, than no snatch and slightly shorter line. 43' of line isn't enough for me; it's actually a bit comical for this industry. Warn VREVO12S and 10S at 3/8"(9.5mm) x 90feet, Zeon10S at 3/8"(9.5mm) at 100feet or 12S at 80feet. ComeUp Solo 12.5RS at 7/16"(11mm) at 82feet, 9.5RS at 3/8"(9.5mm) at 100feet.
As well, it's odd the IG is getting 13m(42.6feet) of rope, when the Red winches usually have a min of 25m(82feet) per their site. Maybe it was a half off deal <chuckle>;
"The drum can accept the following lengths and sizes of rope;
EXPLORER 2 STANDARD DRUM:
The Std drum can hold 36m of 10mm plasma or synthetic rope.
The Std drum can hold 30m of 11mm plasma or synthetic rope.
The Std drum can hold 25m of 12mm plasma or synthetic rope.
EXPLORER2 XL DRUM:
The XL drum can hold 60m of 10mm plasma or synthetic rope.
The XL drum can hold 48m of 11mm plasma or synthetic rope.
The XL drum can hold 36m of 12mm plasma or synthetic rope."
Winch line length falls under global approval/safety regs? Interesting...
Warn boat anchor? The Warn VREVO10S weighs 65.9lbs, and VREVO12S weighs 66.9lbs.
ComeUp (have 2 of those on rigs and very pleased), the new Solo 9.5RS weighs 76.9lbs, and Solo 12.5RS weighs 79.4lbs.
Red Explorer Nomad 11k weighs 81.6lbs.
Who is the boat anchor?
I'll say it, unless the factory winch is a specifically stellar financial deal, I think I'll pass and just await a winch mount to be created for the OE bumper shell, which should be in no time at all really; and put one of those boat anchors or ComeUp's in there....
Just a throw away line. If you want to stick a Warn on with a longer rope you will need to wait until ARB or someone comes out with an aftermarket winch bar. There isn’t room inside the Grenadier bumper for a larger drum or longer rope. You seemed to be struggling with that.Yes, I fully understand the IG's Red winch isn't commercially available; you already mentioned that in post 30.
Will be interesting to see how much space there is.
I'm still perplexed at your "Warn winch boat anchor" comment.
Has this been tested/confirmed by the aftermarket as of yet? ComeUp specifically makes a slim winch for reasons like this, that still has a normal line length
It’s not a bad deal when you consider that is a highly regarded manufacturer, it comes installed, wired, with uprated front springs a five year warranty and is presumably integrated with the vehicle crash safety systems. I doubt without significant surgery you will get one that fits in OE bumper, but no doubt there will be bumper replacement options.
Never heard of them, but as they have only just hit the streets it is unlikely anyone has yet tested, but would be interesting to know. Just had a look. The seal slim looks interesting which would in theory give 25m rope. But still assume that Red Winch would have done this if they had room, so still to see if it actually would fit. The other challenge will be location of clutch lever. May be able to access by cutting a hole in the top of the bumper but a bit messy
I am nothing like ASPW and am not a Saffer. ARB is an Australian company and we use tons of their products and you also don’t need to integrate with crash safety stuff here either aftermarket (you do have to comply with Austrian Design Rules, but they are much lighter than OE vehicle type approval rules) but you do as supplied OE. Although it’s always a good thing if it is safer. If ARB makes a bar for the Grenadier no doubt many Australian Grenadiers will sport their bars with Warn winches. Red winches are not well known at the consumer level here either but are very well known and respected in the competition community. My point os merely that there are solid reasons why the OE winches are the configuration they are. Nobody saying you can’t or shouldn’t do something different aftermarket if you prefer.
