Rear Leg Room N1 Spec Production Model

[Dent]

This is the rear leg room for the 5 seat station wagon N1.. I’m 6’4 and the drivers seat is fully back. My knees were ok and there is a slot in the seat back that does give a bit of extra room. Good for short journeys but I’d not want to spend hours in the back.
The other photo is my son who is about 5’5.
I will be moving the seat back swiftly after delivery.

I posted this in another thread regarding moving the seats. I asked the Bulgarian dealer about ordering the Utility version (N1) for VAT-reclaim reasons and then moving the rear seats backwards to the "Station Wagon position" with about 7 cm more legroom. They enquired with Ineos and their answer was "Yes, this is technically possible. However, the manufacturer does not allow or recommend moving the second row of Utility Wagon seats to the Station Wagon position and removing the luggage compartment separator, as this will void the vehicle's warranty." I assume it will be similar in all EU countries, not sure about the UK.

 

[bemax]

Apologies if you've already answered this, I'm working through the posts but I'm 6'5 and was curious what your opinion was of the front seat leg/foot well room. I haven't been able to see one in person yet and I've read some mixed comments on it.

I am only a little bit smaller but have very long legs. For me the seat in the last position is close to perfect. I would like to have it move even a little bit further but a professional driving instructor would say it is just right.

 

[CountyV8]

This is the rear leg room for the 5 seat station wagon N1.. I’m 6’4 and the drivers seat is fully back. My knees were ok and there is a slot in the seat back that does give a bit of extra room. Good for short journeys but I’d not want to spend hours in the back.
The other photo is my son who is about 5’5.
I will be moving the seat back swiftly after delivery.

Is it just the rake of the rear seat that moves or does the whole assembly move rearwards .?
I was under the impression that only the backrest moved.

 

[DesertGecko]

This is the rear leg room for the 5 seat station wagon N1.. I’m 6’4 and the drivers seat is fully back. My knees were ok and there is a slot in the seat back that does give a bit of extra room. Good for short journeys but I’d not want to spend hours in the back.
The other photo is my son who is about 5’5.
I will be moving the seat back swiftly after delivery.

Dear lord man.. never sit in a Defender 110 then.

After years of being crammed in like sardines and having my rear passengers giving me lumbar "support" the Grenadier is palatial.

 

[Dent]

I posted this in another thread regarding moving the seats. I asked the Bulgarian dealer about ordering the Utility version (N1) for VAT-reclaim reasons and then moving the rear seats backwards to the "Station Wagon position" with about 7 cm more legroom. They enquired with Ineos and their answer was "Yes, this is technically possible. However, the manufacturer does not allow or recommend moving the second row of Utility Wagon seats to the Station Wagon position and removing the luggage compartment separator, as this will void the vehicle's warranty." I assume it will be similar in all EU countries, not sure about the UK.

A clarification from the local rep - now it makes more sense:
“Changing the position - moving the second row of seats of the Utility Wagon to the Station Wagon position and removing the luggage compartment splitter will result in the rejection of a warranty claim regarding an event occurring as a result of the change. Any structural change leads to voiding the warranty of the parts and units directly and indirectly related to it. The warranty of the engine, gearbox, ie. everything unrelated to the change is preserved.”

 

[Eric]

A clarification from the local rep - now it makes more sense:
“Changing the position - moving the second row of seats of the Utility Wagon to the Station Wagon position and removing the luggage compartment splitter will result in the rejection of a warranty claim regarding an event occurring as a result of the change. Any structural change leads to voiding the warranty of the parts and units directly and indirectly related to it. The warranty of the engine, gearbox, ie. everything unrelated to the change is preserved.”

Makes sense. So if I was a risk manager I'd say " get on with it then"

 

[tartan shepherd]

I confess to owing a Schoffel shirt and was perusing another in a lovely little gentlemen's outfitter in Grassington - treat yourself I thought £70 for a nice shirt - then spotted the Made in China no way!

 

[Ever Pragmatic]

Is it just the rake of the rear seat that moves or does the whole assembly move rearwards .?
I was under the impression that only the backrest moved.

The whole seat frame assembly can be moved. The rake of the seating looks like it changes once you’ve moved the frame back. I’ve not Sean the top corner mounting lug and I’m hoping it’s just a hex stud Job. I sense that I’ll have to buy or fabricate a new pair of lugs. As soon as I get my one home, it will be the first bit of surgery I attempt . .

 

[beanohallett]

The whole seat frame assembly can be moved. The rake of the seating looks like it changes once you’ve moved the frame back. I’ve not Sean the top corner mounting lug and I’m hoping it’s just a hex stud Job. I sense that I’ll have to buy or fabricate a new pair of lugs. As soon as I get my one home, it will be the first bit of surgery I attempt . .

Hi Ever Pragmatic,

I have the same plan, once home and settled relocate the rear bench back to where they should be. Has anyone done this yet? If so would be interested in the method and if anything was needed parts wise - and if so the part numbers..

Do you have a time frame when you might be doing yours, probably this thread would be a good place to gather the information to make it an easy job for all?

Kind regards Garry

 

[Ever Pragmatic]

Hi Ever Pragmatic,

I have the same plan, once home and settled relocate the rear bench back to where they should be. Has anyone done this yet? If so would be interested in the method and if anything was needed parts wise - and if so the part numbers..

Do you have a time frame when you might be doing yours, probably this thread would be a good place to gather the information to make it an easy job for all?

Kind regards Garry

I’d planned to do it over the coronation weekend but failed. Mainly because rear leg room isn’t a problem for my children and I really want to see someone else do it first.. it looks like an easy job but the C pillars are shrouded and I’d like to see a method for safely removing the plastic covers and have a ready solution for the rear seat catch which has to be relocated.. also the steel cargo barrier is pretty handy and will need some metal brackets made up to allow it to be retained.

 

[beanohallett]

I’d planned to do it over the coronation weekend but failed. Mainly because rear leg room isn’t a problem for my children and I really want to see someone else do it first.. it looks like an easy job but the C pillars are shrouded and I’d like to see a method for safely removing the plastic covers and have a ready solution for the rear seat catch which has to be relocated.. also the steel cargo barrier is pretty handy and will need some metal brackets made up to allow it to be retained.

Those were my thoughts too, the barrier I don't think is a problem but the removal of the plastic trim isn't something I've done, I will consult with the professionals !!

 

[Wilaspira]

Hi I’m another interested party regarding rear seat movement in an N1 (but not being mechanical have done nothing to “advance” this)

 

[DesertGecko]

This is the rear leg room for the 5 seat station wagon N1.. I’m 6’4 and the drivers seat is fully back. My knees were ok and there is a slot in the seat back that does give a bit of extra room. Good for short journeys but I’d not want to spend hours in the back.
The other photo is my son who is about 5’5.
I will be moving the seat back swiftly after delivery.

Whatever you do - never sit in a LR 110 wagon. That's palatial. I'm still scarred by 7000k with my son's knees being a lumbar support from last years trip.

 

[Tomdoc]

I am getting the 2 seater as I will be using this for personal use/camping adventures etc. Having moved from a Defender 90 which was also a 2 seater, I want to retain the ability to reach into the back from the front and v/v. I guess this means I will have to remove the barrier. Of course this adds a risk of objects connecting with passengers up front in the event of a sudden stop. Will be interesting to see how easy it will be to take out the barrier and perhaps have a removable solution when needed.

 

[ECrider]

I am getting the 2 seater as I will be using this for personal use/camping adventures etc. Having moved from a Defender 90 which was also a 2 seater, I want to retain the ability to reach into the back from the front and v/v. I guess this means I will have to remove the barrier. Of course this adds a risk of objects connecting with passengers up front in the event of a sudden stop. Will be interesting to see how easy it will be to take out the barrier and perhaps have a removable solution when needed.

Maybe the vertical cargo net located just behind the front seats is a possible stop-gap/compromise. Easily moved and hopefully stops most flying objects.

 

[DCPU]

I've sketched out in my notebook the parts that may need moving, but the real issue, for me, is the availability of the known new parts I can see I would need & then wondering how many unknown parts I will also need.

I'm not confident Ineos are in a position currently to supply the known parts.

 

[DCPU]

Whatever you do - never sit in a LR 110 wagon. That's palatial. I'm still scarred by 7000k with my son's knees being a lumbar support from last years trip.

Try a LR double cab, I believe it's even "better".

 

[EDWARDO]

Im in the same boat growing children and its quite cramped in the back, ive been studying pictures and it looks straightforward, i was thinking of getting the local landy independent to do it as my Mrs says she doesnt trust me to do it properly, the cargo grid still fits you just need the new brackets from the bellstaff edition and it fits no prob as its exactly the same.

 

[DCPU]

the cargo grid still fits you just need the new brackets from the bellstaff edition and it fits no prob as its exactly the same.

I was convinced you are right, having studied copious photos.

However, my agent's techie, who has hands on experience of fitting both, told me they are different. We didn't have a Belstaff one there to look at so I couldn't see for myself.

 

[Ever Pragmatic]

Im in the same boat growing children and its quite cramped in the back, ive been studying pictures and it looks straightforward, i was thinking of getting the local landy independent to do it as my Mrs says she doesnt trust me to do it properly, the cargo grid still fits you just need the new brackets from the bellstaff edition and it fits no prob as its exactly the same.

Is the barrier in the editions the same as the SW then? It’d make sense and I may nip to my dealer and have a look see in side a belstaff version with the cargo barrier.