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Oil recommendation fox Texas

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Looking for best oil to use in Texas for my Grenadier. Mine has 2500 miles on it and I want to do first oil change. Any recommendations with our hot weather 0w20 seems awful thin?
 

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While 0W-20 seems thin, it is an oil viscosity that the vast majority of manufacturers have switched to over the past decade for emissions related reasons. With that being said, the latest version of the B58 (B58TU2) now uses 0W-12 oil, although that spec isn't in the Grenadier yet (I would imagine not for a few more years because it incorporates the 48v mild hybrid)...

More important than the weight number is that it meets BMW's oil certification, in the case of our engines, it is LL-17FE+; technically the various forms of B58s around the world can also use LL-04
 

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Full synthetic 0w-20 that meets LL-17FE+. Tight tolerances in the b58TU engines.
 

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In Texas you would just go out into your backyard with a posthole digger and dig a few feet down until you strike oil. Use an old Folgers coffee can to scope out enough for an oil change and then just filter out the dirt and debris with some cheesecloth.
 

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Pennzoil 5W-30 Euro L meets all the requirements for the B58 motor and isn't razor thin oil. The 0W-20 is really great if you live somewhere that considers 50* a heat wave.

Looking for best oil to use in Texas for my Grenadier. Mine has 2500 miles on it and I want to do first oil change. Any recommendations with our hot weather 0w20 seems awful thin?
 

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Pennzoil 5W-30 Euro L meets all the requirements for the B58 motor and isn't razor thin oil. The 0W-20 is really great if you live somewhere that considers 50* a heat wave.

BMW B58 TU1 variant installed int he grenadier wants LL17FE+ spec 0W-20 not thicker LL04 5w30 which is what that pennzoil is. If your engine is running at normal operating temp regardless of outside air temperature I don’t know why you wouldn’t run the specified BMW Oil for the B58TU1.

Change every 4-6k and you are good.
 

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Completely sympathetic to the notion thicker oil would be needed for hot ambient temperature conditions as for decades this logic has been drilled into our limbic automotive brains but that is not how modern engines are engineered today. It’s not as if every engine manufacturer would immediately run thicker oil if it wasn’t for the EPA, some may but I doubt it.

Modern engines are designed from the ground up to operate on thinner oils not only for fuel efficiency standards the EPA demands but also to reduce internal frictional losses and increase overall power output. Everything in a modern engine from base metallurgy, bearing and piston ring clearances, oil gallery dimensions, oil pump running pressures, oil cooling for turbo bearings, etc… is optimized for these thinner weights. Introducing thicker oils or the wrong specifications can over time increase wear and performance issues. It’s true modern engines compared to older types run more highly stressed overall but they are designed for it.

I fondly remember and miss the days of switching weight of oils between summer and winter to make sure your engine was properly protected but in terms of engineering it’s like comparing a Sopwith Camel to a modern fighter jet. Can you put 5W-40 in B58 engine and have it run? Most certainly you can but introducing thicker oils into an environment entirely designed around thinner oils could actually lead to improper lubrication/cooling of vital internal components and increased wear.

Interesting side note, large airliner engines oil viscosity is considerably thinner than any automotive engine oils. It’s basically like water and think of the temperatures/pressures it sees. In fact, the primary purpose of oil in a jet engine is for cooling of the main bearings and lubrication is a somewhat lower priority. Mainly because jet engines don’t see the same type of shearing or sliding friction a piston engine does but again it all comes down to what the engine was designed for as to the type of oils used.

For the warranty period sticking with factory recommendations would be best but do what you feel is right for your vehicle and operating conditions but incorrect lubrication of any variety certainly isn’t going to prolong engine life.
 
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I have been running Liqui Moly 6600 which carries the 17fe+ certification. It is the same oil I have been running in both the Range Rover Sport and the New Defender that we have. Everything seems as it should with those engines.
 

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Completely sympathetic to the notion thicker oil would be needed for hot ambient temperature conditions as for decades this logic has been drilled into our limbic automotive brains but that is not how modern engines are engineered today. It’s not as if every engine manufacturer would immediately run thicker oil if it wasn’t for the EPA, some may but I doubt it.

Modern engines are designed from the ground up to operate on thinner oils not only for fuel efficiency standards the EPA demands but also to reduce internal frictional losses and increase overall power output. Everything in a modern engine from base metallurgy, bearing and piston ring clearances, oil gallery dimensions, oil pump running pressures, oil cooling for turbo bearings, etc… is optimized for these thinner weights. Introducing thicker oils or the wrong specifications can over time increase wear and performance issues. It’s true modern engines compared to older types run more highly stressed overall but they are designed for it.

I fondly remember and miss the days of switching weight of oils between summer and winter to make sure your engine was properly protected but in terms of engineering it’s like comparing a Sopwith Camel to a modern fighter jet. Can you put 5W-40 in B58 engine and have it run? Most certainly you can but introducing thicker oils into an environment entirely designed around thinner oils could actually lead to improper lubrication/cooling of vital internal components and increased wear.

Interesting side note, large airliner engines oil viscosity is considerably thinner than any automotive engine oils. It’s basically like water and think of the temperatures/pressures it sees. In fact, the primary purpose of oil in a jet engine is for cooling of the main bearings and lubrication is a somewhat lower priority. Mainly because jet engines don’t see the same type of shearing or sliding friction a piston engine does but again it all comes down to what the engine was designed for as to the type of oils used.

For the warranty period sticking with factory recommendations would be best but do what you feel is right for your vehicle and operating conditions but incorrect lubrication of any variety certainly isn’t going to prolong engine life.

Vanos called to say thank you. 🤜
 

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What's funny is the BMW B58 TU1 owners manual over at BMW suggests the 5W-30 for city/rough driving conditions and lists the correct 7L for the oil change (against the Grenadier's 6L recommendation which will give you low engine oil warnings). If you were tracking your car, they list 5W-40 as the recommended oil but I'm obviously not doing that.

Going to do an oil change with Liquid Moly as the LL17FE+ spec and apparently the 0W-20 is supposed to help with the start/stop function (which I disable) but the Supra has the same engine and they all swear by the Liquid Moly so I'll be doing that at the 1K mile mark. I plan on keeping the car for a long time and I know the first couple thousand miles are the hardest

Anyone know where I can get the magnetic drain plug?

BMW B58 TU1 variant installed int he grenadier wants LL17FE+ spec 0W-20 not thicker LL04 5w30 which is what that pennzoil is. If your engine is running at normal operating temp regardless of outside air temperature I don’t know why you wouldn’t run the specified BMW Oil for the B58TU1.

Change every 4-6k and you are good.
 

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I was also on the fence about using the thin 0W20 oil specified... But until I can be fully convinced otherwise I will stick with the recommended specification especially still being under factory warranty. My rig is at 1600 miles now on the factory fluids, plan on doing an engine oil, transfer case, and diff change this weekend.

Went with all the factory spec fluids...
 

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