Having owned two Toyota 200 Series Landcruisers, I find the weight is about what I might expect for something that is built to be tough and comfortable. However, one area that has been necessary in the Landcruiser in order to utilise this toughness and give the extra payload that long-distance remote travel requires, is a GVM upgrade. Conveniently, one can increase the standard 3350kg to 4200Kg GVM post-rego just with a suspension upgrade. As I am aware, this is possible as the axle and running gear components are designed strong enough to carry the extra weight.
So, as it appears the Grenadier is designed with this same toughness, it is a little bit of a shame that the payload (i.e. GVM) was not set higher as standard to match this great engineering. If everything is so well engineered, why didn't they add in some higher rated suspension components as an option? You know what I mean, 'built for purpose' rather than 'modified later for purpose' would have been nice ?
What's makes this somewhat inconvenient is that, while a Landcruiser can get a GVM upgrade right now off the shelf, it will undoubtedly take some time before one is available for the Grenadier, especially one that has top of the line springs and remote-res shockies, etc. Add in that long range tank upgrade we hope to get at some point, and payload becomes even more an issue...
So yep, while this may not effect all users of course, for those needing a long-distance expedition oriented vehicle, 'heavy' by itself is not the issue in my mind. It is that the advantage of this extra strength and therefore extra weight leads to a disadvantage in payload, which would have been nice to have been fixed at source.
Makes much more sense and what I expected and accept. But man, 28 sounded too good to be true.Try this
12l/100km => 19.6012 mpg (US)
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Is the grenadier weights on website, wet or dry? I've heard 90% full tank which I wonder why would it be 90% I haven't seen anything myself, but have been curious.I would argue that the over engineering in the Grenadier is in the right places I.e body..aluminum but double walled, stout frame, beefy axles, tremec xfer case, strong doors which can carry 110 kilos each, a roof that can carry amazing amount of static and dynamic load. These are things you donât want them skimping on. Things like leather, overt number of cpus, whiz bang feature laden electronics, 15 speakers, etc. is where it should be decontented. Now these features donât add crazy amount of weight but I would say still a ~100 lbs saved. Now the Grenadier being a modern car still has to accommodate for modern safety needs like air bags and crash protection. Those things add serious weight
Letâs look at 3 examples for comparison
1. LC200: The 2021 model weighed ~5800 lbs. While it was a very high quality build Iâd argue that there are some places where the Grenadier pips it for beefiness. No F&R lockers or metal bumpers. Plus the LC doesnât have a heavy front axle. Plus I donât know if this weight is wet or dry weight
2. Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 2021: The Jeep weighs 4450 lbs. Not as robustly built, the roof isnât even a sealed affair, very low payload. By the time you beef up the Jeep to Grenadier levels you will be looking at 5000lbs weight and still poor payload and interior space. Similar to the LC I donât know if this is a wet or dry weight. Jeep and most manufacturers are notorious in not being clear on how they specify weight and payload
3. G Wagon: I can give a bit more hands on experience with my 1997 diesel G. Arguably the most apples to apples comparison due to the Magna connection. Mine weighs 5440 lbs with 90% tank, all fluids, a half sleeping platform and no driver. That leaves me with a payload balance of 1500 lbs. It has metal bumpers, triple locked and solid axles F&R and arguably almost very similar dimensionally to the Grenadier. It doesnât have remotely the same degree of active safety as the Grenadier.
As you can see the Grenadier isnât that heavy or out of the ballpark when compared to similar peers. Iâd argue that through some smart material and componentry choices they have actually invested the weight in the right areas like frame, body and axles.
No. That's 8,33 L/100 km.We use MPG here so I had to use a converter I found online. It said 12L/100km is 28.23 MPG (US gallon). Does that sound correct?
I think you know cost is the problem. Just imagine!why don't all people use the metric standard ISO system?
Australia changed to metric in 1974 when I was 12 and just starting High SchoolMPG ... I love abbreviations ... and then you have US Gallons and other gallons ... why don't all people use the metric standard ISO system?
Is the grenadier weights on website, wet or dry? I've heard 90% full tank which I wonder why would it be 90% I haven't seen anything myself, but have been curious.
All kidding aside, and putting away the stubborn American in me, it just doesn’t make sense to not switch. I’m sure logistically it would be a major pain in the ass in the short term, but Jeeze. Metric makes so much Effing sense.Australia changed to metric in 1974 when I was 12 and just starting High School
It was so much better nd easier to work with.
Although we do still often use feet and inches to describe a persons height.
A very large building company from Australia opened up in the US and found that errors in calculating and measuring in imperial fractions caused 30% more waste on home builds and also lead to poor workmanship.
Some tradies were measuring down to 1/8" others 1/16" and some thought 1/4" was good enough.
Compare that to Australia where everyone would be measuring to the millimetre or for finishing work even to half a mm
It doesn't take much thought to work out which tape measure would be easier to use
1" = 25.4mm
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While ever they government keeps changing it's mind or introducing laws that are vague nothing will happen.All kidding aside, and putting away the stubborn American in me, it just doesn’t make sense to not switch. I’m sure logistically it would be a major pain in the ass in the short term, but Jeeze. Metric makes so much Effing sense.
I taught middle school math (12-14yo) for years and fractions kick their assess. Base 10 is just a smidge easier than base 2.
I think that many people here in the U.S. believe that the "C" in Celsius stands for "Communist" units of measurement, so we stick to measuring temperature in "F" (which are "Freedom" units of measurement). But don't quote me on thatMPG ... I love abbreviations ... and then you have US Gallons and other gallons ... why don't all people use the metric standard ISO system?
No I think the "C" stands for common sense and the "F" stands for F**cked upI think that many people here in the U.S. believe that the "C" in Celsius stands for "Communist" units of measurement, so we stick to measuring temperature in "F" (which are "Freedom" units of measurement). But don't quote me on that