Grenadier build slot DELAY thread

[Tazzieman]

Dealers will set their prices based on demand and availability. That is what is happening all over the industry world wide.

Ineos aren't the only company with an agency model.
Though it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Will the stealerships win?

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[DaveB]

Ineos aren't the only company with an agency model.
Though it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Will the stealerships win?

Dealers sue Mercedes-Benz for $650 Million in Goodwill Destruction Damages — Auto Expert John Cadogan

Eight out of 10 dealers are suing Mercedes Australia, saying the fixed price agency model is an ethical, consumer violation. This could set a new legal precedent for retailers…

autoexpert.com.au

Yes Mercedes and Honda in Australia and others on the way.

 

[Halliwell Jones Chester]

Most/all car manufacturers have new pricing for each calendar year. So far we have Ineos 2022 pricing. I have always assumed they will bring out different pricing in 2023. Only thing you can guarantee is they won't have any end of year specials as many car companies do to clear stock before they roll into a new model year. Pre COVID that was. For those people who have a late 2022 build date your car will already be one year older than a January 2023 built Grenadier

Hi @DaveB If you are based in the UK I really wouldn't worry what year the car was built as the only way a car is valued here is Miles, condition, spec and reg.

Even the reg isn't huge now with us having two plate changes a year. This model year may come in, in different countries but here in the UK it's not something that has any relevance to the price of your part exchange unless there has been big standard spec changes or a facelift done.

Steve.

 

[DaveB]

Hi @DaveB If you are based in the UK I really wouldn't worry what year the car was built as the only way a car is valued here is Miles, condition, spec and reg.

Even the reg isn't huge now with us having two plate changes a year. This model year may come in, in different countries but here in the UK it's not something that has any relevance to the price of your part exchange unless there has been big standard spec changes or a facelift done.

Steve.

In Australia we have these things called Gray Nomads. They retire, buy a large, diesel, 4WD and a huge caravan. They then spend years driving around Australia. It takes years A vehicle built in 2022 is a year older than a vehicle built in 2023. Even if it is December to January. They are typically advertised as Model year and first registered. So it might be model year 2022, first registered February 2023.

 

[Halliwell Jones Chester]

In Australia we have these things called Gray Nomads. They retire, buy a large, diesel, 4WD and a huge caravan. They then spend years driving around Australia. It takes years A vehicle built in 2022 is a year older than a vehicle built in 2023. Even if it is December to January. They are typically advertised as Model year and first registered. So it might be model year 2022, first registered February 2023.

How many plate changes per year do you have?

 

[emax]

What is a 'plate change' in this context ?

 

[DaveB]

How many plate changes per year do you have?

The VIN plate has the build month and year on it and that is permanent as usual. We only have one registration plate and that lasts forever unless you change to personalised plates or move to a different state.

 

[MRO]

They are more motivated than we are to get vehicles in our hands that they are confident in. I am happy to wait until they want to give me the keys to something they will put their name to. The first few months of delivered vehicles will define their brand and also the residuals of what we put our money into.

I am a little desperate as I need to replace current vehicles but there is nothing else on the market that will do this job so I will wait if I have to.

 

[Halliwell Jones Chester]

What is a 'plate change' in this context ?

Plate changes in the UK @emax determines the "age" of your car. New plates come out 1st March and 1st September. In essence we could have two cars in our showroom, one built in 21 and the other in 22. If the one built in 22 is bought and registered in February and the one built in 21 is bought and registered in March and they are identical for arguements sake then the older car but with the latest number plate would be worth more money.

I hope that's what you were asking otherwise I might have sounded a little patronising, apologies if I got it wrong.

Steve.

 

[emax]

No, good explananation, thank you. But I think you do not mean the entire number plate but only a part of it? A stamp or a sticker from an authority?

 

[DaveB]

Plate changes in the UK @emax determines the "age" of your car. New plates come out 1st March and 1st September. In essence we could have two cars in our showroom, one built in 21 and the other in 22. If the one built in 22 is bought and registered in February and the one built in 21 is bought and registered in March and they are identical for arguements sake then the older car but with the latest number plate would be worth more money.

I hope that's what you were asking otherwise I might have sounded a little patronising, apologies if I got it wrong.

Steve.

Wow. That sounds like an expensive waste of time and money.

 

[Halliwell Jones Chester]

No, good explananation, thank you. But I think you do not mean the entire number plate but only a part of it? A stamp or a sticker from an authority?

UK plates have some defining characters, the first two letters show where in the country it was registered, so Chester would be DA, DC, DF, DG, DK and so forth. The next two items are numbers which tell you the year of the car so March registration onwards this year could start like DF22 region then year. September starts DF72 then the last three are completely random and will always be letters DF22 HRR.

Steve.

 

[DaveB]

UK plates have some defining characters, the first two letters show where in the country it was registered, so Chester would be DA, DC, DF, DG, DK and so forth. The next two items are numbers which tell you the year of the car so March registration onwards this year could start like DF22 region then year. September starts DF72 then the last three are completely random and will always be letters DF22 HRR.

Steve.

Why would that information need to be on the plates for everyone to see?
Who needs to know that?

 

[Halliwell Jones Chester]

Why would that information need to be on the plates for everyone to see?
Who needs to know that?

Never really thought that much into it to be honest, region and year. The two plate changes each year boost economy apparently with people wanting the new plate which is a "thing" here in the UK.

It also helps authorities know where the car was registered.

Steve.

 

[emax]

UK plates have some defining characters, the first two letters show where in the country it was registered, so Chester would be DA, DC, DF, DG, DK and so forth. The next two items are numbers which tell you the year of the car so March registration onwards this year could start like DF22 region then year. September starts DF72 then the last three are completely random and will always be letters DF22 HRR.

Steve.

We have partially sth. similar in Germany.

The first letter group (up to three characters) is the City or district: 'B' is Berlin, 'K' is Köln (Colgone), and 'DI', is 'Dieburg' which is my district.
The next letter group (up to two characters) is random, and then there is a random number from 1 to 9999.


My car has "DI-EH 1207'. And I have been having this plate now since 22 years ...
No need for a new plate twice a year ...
(Only the 'TÜEV' (MOT in UK) sticker is renewed every two years).


BTW: My Diesel motorbike has 'DI-SL 15' which reads like 'DIeSeL, and '15' was the year when I bought it: 2015. ;-) I payed 12 € extra for this 'personalized' plate.

 

[bemax]

We have partially sth. similar in Germany.

The first letter group (up to three characters) is the City or district: 'B' is Berlin, 'K' is Köln (Colgone), and 'DI', is 'Dieburg' which is my district.
The next letter group (up to two characters) is random, and then there is a random number from 1 to 9999.


My car has "DI-EH 1207'. And I have been having this plate now since 22 years ...
No need for a new plate twice a year ...
(Only the 'TÜEV' (MOT in UK) sticker is renewed every two years).


BTW: My Diesel motorbike has 'DI-SL 15' which reads like 'DIeSeL, and '15' was the year when I bought it: 2015. ;-) I payed 12 € extra for this 'personalized' plate.

But if you move to another city and keep your car, you can stay with your old plate. So it changes a little bit.

 

[Halliwell Jones Chester]

We have partially sth. similar in Germany.

The first letter group (up to three characters) is the City or district: 'B' is Berlin, 'K' is Köln (Colgone), and 'DI', is 'Dieburg' which is my district.
The next letter group (up to two characters) is random, and then there is a random number from 1 to 9999.


My car has "DI-EH 1207'. And I have been having this plate now since 22 years ...
No need for a new plate twice a year ...
(Only the 'TÜEV' (MOT in UK) sticker is renewed every two years).


BTW: My Diesel motorbike has 'DI-SL 15' which reads like 'DIeSeL, and '15' was the year when I bought it: 2015. ;-) I payed 12 € extra for this 'personalized' plate.

Is the only way you know the age of the car then, by the chassis/vin? Do you have private registrations?

 

[bemax]

Is the only way you know the age of the car then, by the chassis/vin? Do you have private registrations?

we have got the papers of the car which could be called "vehicle registration certificate" in english. this dokument shows every detail of the car. Withot this document you can not sell/buy the vehicle.

 

[emax]

And the authorities can (and do) query databases they have, even from a mobile police control.

 

[DenisM]

Many Australian State transport departments have done away with windscreen licence stickers which used show at a glance the month (digits) / current year (colour) for quick visual check of validity/expiry. These days, the "persons in blue" have most of their vehicles fitted with 360 degree cameras with photo-recognition capability which are continually scanning multiple licence plates per second in the following and oncoming traffic... I guess it's the same in most modern cities....