Grenadier build slot DELAY thread

[DCPU]

Given that German reservation holders seem to be at the front of the queue, then maybe there's a logic in the first demonstrators going to German agents?

PTO3s on BB plates?

 

[Mitchell300]

Today I checked the bulding date for my Fieldmaster/Germany on the website and it is still September 2022.
Last week I got the link for the video which informed over the potential delay. As I read some guys here noticed a change og their building slot after getting the Youtube link.
Are there more orders with an unchanged Septenber builing slot?

Got the email stating up to a month delay but still showing as November 2022 build. 2 seat utility.

 

[Jeremy996]

I sent an e-mail to Chandlers at Belton, Lincolnshire, UK and they have been told their demonstrater will be delayed to the end of September.

 

[DCPU]

I sent an e-mail to Chandlers at Belton, Lincolnshire, UK and they have been told their demonstrater will be delayed to the end of September.

Providing orders slip by the same amount of time, then I'm hoping an original estimated build month of November will still allow an actual test drive prior to contract signing.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

Here is the latest for people in North America...

Hi Stuart, As our no-nonsense 4X4 gets ever closer to release in North America, we wanted to keep you up to date on all the latest Grenadier news that affects you. PRICING AND ORDERING We recently took the decision to change when we’ll release finalized pricing and ordering dates. Now you’ll receive that information early in 2023, rather than near the end of 2022. The reason? We want to be 100% certain on all pricing and lock them down before we let you know. Don’t worry, production schedules for North America remain unchanged. We plan to begin deliveries to customers later in 2023. EXPERIENCE THE GRENADIER We’re aiming to kick-off a series of off-road driving events across the region, starting later in 2022. We’ve yet to firm up the details, but rest assured you’ll be able to experience the latest PTO2 prototypes up close and in person. Keep an eye on your inbox for more updates soon.

LATEST TESTING We’re continuing heat and endurance testing in the extreme high temperatures of Death Valley, California. And still putting the Grenadier through its paces in further altitude testing up in the mountains of Colorado. Watch out for more in the near future, including video we’ve captured of this demanding off-road program.

 

[RoadBuilder]

Looks like we can expect a price increase, unfortunately.

 

[DCPU]

I wonder what the differences are between PTO2s & PTO3s?

Seems odd the we in the UK/Row are getting production vehicles but testing is still going on in the US. Maybe later production will see some revisions/enhancements.

And the elephant in the room ~ the trade dress case... how's that going?

 

[DCPU]

Looks like we can expect a price increase, unfortunately.

Yes, it would seem impossible to hold current launch prices for 12 months.

Although, there must be some comfort in looking at costs differences between the UK & the Australian price lists where there are some quite large notional disparities.

 

[Shaky]

The US announcement would definitely seem to point to a price increase although no one outside of IA will never know by how much.

On a purely selfish basis this MAY be good news for the UK, Aus and Europe as Ineos may be doing the right thing and sticking by their prices for anyone who has already ordered here. However they can raise the prices in the US without losing face.

Whilst those of us who have ordered are the crash test dummies, we may be be gaining by getting the vehicle for a never to be repeated price.

It might be just wishful thinking but I remain positive and now I have got over the initial disappointment of getting the vehicle later than I thought. In the long run it doesn’t make any odds to me and after all this time what difference does a few extra weeks make.

 

[TnUplander]

Got this via email this morning here in the US

PRICING AND ORDERING

We recently took the decision to change when we’ll release finalized pricing and ordering dates. Now you’ll receive that information early in 2023, rather than near the end of 2022. The reason? We want to be 100% certain on all pricing and lock them down before we let you know. Don’t worry, production schedules for North America remain unchanged. We plan to begin deliveries to customers later in 2023.

 

[emax]

> However they can raise the prices in the US without losing face.

I wouldn't pobably make it so easy for Ineos in that I'd legitimize this in advance.

 

[DaveB]

Looks like we can expect a price increase, unfortunately.

My understanding was that they hadn't released US pricing yet, (I am assuming you are in US sorry), if that is the case then you can't a price increase, only a price.

 

[DaveB]

Most/all car manufacturers have new pricing for each calendar year. So far we have Ineos 2022 pricing. I have always assumed they will bring out different pricing in 2023. Only thing you can guarantee is they won't have any end of year specials as many car companies do to clear stock before they roll into a new model year. Pre COVID that was. For those people who have a late 2022 build date your car will already be one year older than a January 2023 built Grenadier

 

[OGrid]

Seems odd the we in the UK/Row are getting production vehicles but testing is still going on in the US. Maybe later production will see some revisions/enhancements.

Yes, I’m with you 100% on this.

Nothing like sorting some high temp and altitude bugs out…oh, hang on. Everywhere is high temp now…

 

[Tazzieman]

Yes, I’m with you 100% on this.

Nothing like sorting some high temp and altitude bugs out…oh, hang on. Everywhere is high temp now…

Not Tasmania Best 4 season climate in the world now.

 

[DCPU]

Most/all car manufacturers have new pricing for each calendar year. So far we have Ineos 2022 pricing. I have always assumed they will bring out different pricing in 2023. Only thing you can guarantee is they won't have any end of year specials as many car companies do to clear stock before they roll into a new model year. Pre COVID that was. For those people who have a late 2022 build date your car will already be one year older than a January 2023 built Grenadier

I thought Ineos had stated that they weren't going down the planned obsolescence/model year product planning cycles that are normal in the automotive industry.

This was a key idea that was going to differentiate both the company and the products.

 

[Arkaig]

Maybe it's more to do with the introduction and pricing of the double cab pick-up.

 

[Caladan]

Got this via email this morning here in the US

PRICING AND ORDERING

We recently took the decision to change when we’ll release finalized pricing and ordering dates. Now you’ll receive that information early in 2023, rather than near the end of 2022. The reason? We want to be 100% certain on all pricing and lock them down before we let you know. Don’t worry, production schedules for North America remain unchanged. We plan to begin deliveries to customers later in 2023.

I can understand why INEOS has delayed releasing pricing info until early 2023. If you track auto industry pricing reports on Blackbook or Cox Automotive, the US wholesale used auto market has just witnessed its sixth week of steadily declining prices. The largest price percentage drop has been in the “Large/Luxury SUV” segment. This means that US dealers are facing problems with customers who know that dealers are becoming “upside-down” (bought high at auction but the cars are now losing value). Historically, it takes 4-6 weeks for wholesale pricing drops to drive down retail used auto prices. And when that happens, used car pricing always impacts the new car market because dealers realize customers have greater choice in the overall market. I’m willing to bet that INEOS is tracking the US auto market pricing and is also seeing this downward trend towards a major pricing correction. INEOS wants to be competitive against Jeep Wrangler and Ford Bronco in the US and will be looking to see if Ford and Jeep make any downward car pricing adjustments for Manufacturing Year 2023 (MY23) and/or roll-out new financial incentives. INEOS has a little time to play with in the US and wants to get pricing right. As a new company entering a major market, I think delaying US pricing announcements until early 2023 is a smart decision for INEOS.

 

[DCPU]

If Ineos are not selling direct to the owner in the US but via the more traditional dealer model, then they'd still have an opportunity to adjust final retail prices downwards from the recommended retail price. Less so in the opposite direction.

If you can't fix a price this year, it can only mean one thing.

 

[DaveB]

If Ineos are not selling direct to the owner in the US but via the more traditional dealer model, then they'd still have an opportunity to adjust final retail prices downwards from the recommended retail price. Less so in the opposite direction.

If you can't fix a price this year, it can only mean one thing.

Dealers will set their prices based on demand and availability. That is what is happening all over the industry world wide. I assume dealers in the US will have to buy stock so they will take up build slots and make them even harder to get. Ineos also have the following on their website
The manufacturing build slot is indicative only and will be confirmed upon your order confirmation. We may need to make adjustments to our production programme to take into account supply shortages of certain raw materials and components which may impact delivery dates.