Shows LR may have lost their way in aiming for the high end luxury on-road market and not sticking to their roots. Would have been interesting to see the trend if there wasn't a chip issue.Defender sales are good in general, partly at the expense of cheaper models when competing for chips/parts on the wholesale side and partly at the expense of the Discovery in terms of retail sales.
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Americans love new and unique vehicles, there a million Jeeps on the road and Broncos are seen everywhere. The IG will do very well.Knowing the guys at least in the north western region Washington / Idaho / Montana.. there both conservative and curious. Jeeps are well known, spare parts, and fixing these is at least in the US pretty simple. Did not notice a single original LR Defender in the US. The Bronco ? - might be a challenger to Jeep if the quality issues are fixed. I also considered the Bronco if it would be shipped to Germany. A couple of topics such as options available in Europe and engine (I like a straight 6.. and Diesel..) stopped me from considering the Bronco further.
But for the US - the Bronco fits at least in the midwest and northern states pretty well. - The IG will be seen differently. The 4x4 Pickup is far more common and Jeep and similar as well - so IG need to fight to gather a position. And its also not a bargain. I imagine the guys there will be rather sceptic on this overseas newcomer. However I assume IG will prove itself as solid and reliable it will most certainly a vehicle that can establish a market share. BMW engines are known - but in the US - its not the Diesel - its the Petrol / Gas version that will make it.
At the end - its not the brand - but the vehicles capability / reliability and tco that will finally make the impression. And perhaps some Bronco owners may rethink their purchase. The Wrangler is piece of US - culture. Like Coca Cola or Harley Davidson. That will never beaten. IG still has a long way to become an icon. - or to succeed original Defender as an icon. But it has all the genes already to become one. Its Ineos that need to do the proper decisions - and of course what is going on at the planet.
Jeep made its success as an army vehicle
Defender or originally 110 made its success as a bush vehicle in Safaris and featured films like "four weddings and a funeral" or even better "The gods must be crazy" This is what truely a bush vehicle means. How many old LR are still operational ?
To me the US market is entirely different. Establishing an exotic sportscar like a Bugatti or a new type of well known brands there is one topic, however establishing a new brand and placing a vehicle in market dominated by Jeep and already internally challenged by Ford is a hell of work for Ineos.
The high end is where they say they want to be now.Shows LR may have lost their way in aiming for the high end luxury on-road market and not sticking to their roots.
6% plus for the Defender just evaporates in the over all numbers (rounded backwards calculation, decimal sign is comma and thousands separator is period - due to locale):
What I don't understand: If there is production capacity, it will be more expensive not to utilize it.Order bank (or backlog if you just speak plainly) is over 200k.
If I see where they have finally landed - Tata - I ask myself whether "Want to be" will for JLR in future be written like "wannabe" ...The high end is where they say they want to be now.
The high end is where they say they want to be now.
But luxury on-road 4 x 4s are becoming/will becoming persona non grata with the advert of green EVs, no fossil fuels, political bias, save the planet tree huggers. The big 4 x 4s will be seen as the working way to go and have there place.
Your mother, Aunty Mary?1/5th of the world's population, so between you, I, DaveB, bemax and Trobex one of us must be in this bracket.
Slightly concerned that where I'm from there's a lot of families but not a lot of surnames - off to speak to my wife and cousin/sister
They have the honorary Two Heads title then. They are welcome to return anytimemy children were both born in Tasmania.
W neck jumpersThey have the honorary Two Heads title then. They are welcome to return anytime
What even are they?W neck jumpers
They are like V neck jumpers but for people with two headsWhat even are they?
Ah OK! I thought you might have had a clumsy moment and typed the W by accident.They are like V neck jumpers but for people with two heads
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We're going a bit Fortean here @DaveBThey are like V neck jumpers but for people with two heads
Most of it is galvanised steel. Doors and bonnet Are aluminiumSpeaking of fighting rust, what is the body of the IG made of? My biggest issue with current Defenders is that they feel like plastic.
Body is steelSpeaking of fighting rust, what is the body of the IG made of? My biggest issue with current Defenders is that they feel like plastic.