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(Disappointed after 5000 km....shame could have been a good car.) Enttäuscht nach 5000 km….schade hätte ein gutes Auto werden können.

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Du machst es wenn dich mein post interessiert wo ist das problem?
Simple - this forum has rules to allow common understanding. You agreed to obey once you joined.
In my signature is in production / transit and I do not carry the blue badge "grenadier owner" - obvious - isn't it?
I am participating in this forum since quite a while and I am very well aware that there are issues.
There are lot of members here that can tell - and also how they deal with it.
Indeed I am expecting issues. When I signed the contract early 8 weeks ago I knew what I did because I was informed about issues reported by users in this forum.
What makes me wonder about you - complaining about height and steering or other obvious - specced information.
 

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sorry klarie, smarty24 hat 5000 km Erfahrung mit dem Grenny. Das ist schon was anderes, als "nur" einen Grenny bestellt zu haben, ohne bis dato irgendeine praktische Erfahrung zu haben. Vllt sollte man nach Deinen ersten 5000 km mal die Erfahrungen "neu" austauschen.
 

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ja, kann ich voll verstehen. Ich fahre auch 'ne Guzzi (Ambassador V7 Bj 69) und 'ne Alpine A 110.
Aber verabschiede Dich von dem Grenny als Alltagsauto, meine Erfahrung nach ein paar tausend Kilometer.
If you want to continue in German, there is a German section of the forum. There is also a French section. If your mother tongue were Spanish, Romanian, Hungarian, I would understand you continue in your mother tongue in the English part of the forum.
 

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If you want to continue in German, there is a German section of the forum. There is also a French section. If your mother tongue were Spanish, Romanian, Hungarian, I would understand you continue in your mother tongue in the English part of the forum.
To be fair this post was opened in the German speaking area but moved into the international part since it's not allowed to make any German speaking threads in the DACH area...
 

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To be fair this post was opened in the German speaking area but moved into the international part since it's not allowed to make any German speaking threads in the DACH area...
If this is true (I don't say I don't believe you), It should not have been moved :unsure:
 

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To be fair this post was opened in the German speaking area but moved into the international part since it's not allowed to make any German speaking threads in the DACH area...
okay acceptable reason. But normally such moves are announced. But still international threads are in English. The experience the TS encountered may be of interest elsewhere as we have already some people here who have some frustration with the Grenadier / Ineos.. and valid criticism. What I do not deny.
Of course the Grenadier is a huge vehicle and certain capability here may result in a trade off there. E.g. axle and steering. But this is known and should be accepted before signing a contract.
The Grenadier is also not a proper daily ride for bringing kids to school or going to work in urban areas. This should be known when looking at it.
A G wagon, A Chevy suburban, Mercedes GLS are also big rides occupying space.. Next door here is a ford explorer parked.. oops.

For sure, vibration, water entry, rubber gasket at door, software etc are very reasonable complaints and must be resolved. That are definitely faults however is not to be mixed up with topics that are designed like so
 

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To be fair this post was opened in the German speaking area but moved into the international part since it's not allowed to make any German speaking threads in the DACH area...
Do I understand this correct, or do I miss something. In the DACH forum area you are not allowed to speak German? This are all prior German speaking country’s? I don’t get it. But whatever, it has nothing to do with the subject.
 
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Ich war total begeistert von der Idee des Grenadiers. Robust, wertig, nur soviel Elektonik wie nötig ein Auto für harte Arbeit und ein langes Autoleben.
Leider entspricht die Realität nicht dem Marketing. Die hübschen Filmchen und die Präsentationen beim Händler entsprechen nicht dem Produkt, leider. Ich wollte ihn immer mögen…selbst jetzt will ich es noch aber die Kiste macht es einem sau schwer.
Was von vielen Hardcorefans als „Kleinigkeiten„ abgetan werden machen einem das Leben im Alltag schwer…die Kiste nervt in vielen Dingen.
Bin gerade mit dem Teil auf Frankreichtour und jeden Tag gibt es eine neue Überraschung. Mal geht mitten auf der Autobahn die „Gurtwarnung“ an und bimmelt dann unaufhörlich vor sich hin….auch nach Pause und Neustart lies es sich nicht beheben. Irgenwann war es dann wieder weg….aber 200 Km auf der Bahn mit ständigem Gebimmel kosten Nerven. Dann fielen die Blinker aus…kein Spaß mitten in der Stadt. Zur Zeit funktioniert die Tankanzeige nicht. Das Fahrzeug lässt sich nicht mit dem Funkschlüssel schließen, der Heckscheibenwischer läuft plötzlich oder die Fehlermeldung fordert dazu auf die Bremse zu treten. Komplett irre ! Dazu kommen die mechanischen Probleme wie die unpräzise Lenkung und die Vibrationen zwischen 100-125 km/h also genau dem Bereich den man auf Langstrecken im Ausland braucht. Dann ist er nicht dicht, es regnet rein bei starkem Regen. Die Windschutzscheibe beschlägt durch die Klimaanlage. Die Ergonomie stimmt nicht, so kommt man z.B. nicht an die Lehnenverstellung der Sitze ohne sich die Finger zu klemmen. Der Wendekreis ist für ein Fahrzeug dieser Außmasse viel zu grpß und macht das Altagesleben beschwerlich. Der Monitor mit der Geschwindigkeitsanzeige in der Mitte und dem Navi weit aussen machen immer Blickwendungen nötig die anstrengen….es hat schon seinen Grund warum die Anzeigen seit Jahrzehnten immer möglichst vor dem Fahrer platziert werden. Die Höhe von 2,05 Metern verhindert die Einfahrt in viele Garagen ,Tiefgaragen oder Parkplätze. Dazu kommt der schlechte Service. 5 Jahre Garantie nutzen wenig wenn Ersatzteile nicht lieferbar sind oder Händler auch nicht wissen was sie bei Problemen machen sollen. Selbstverständlichens Zubehör wie Anhängerkupplung sind nicht lieferbar. Selbst Fussmatten können nicht geliefert werden. Ich habe nun schon viele Geländewagen mein eigen genann. wie Jeep, Landrover, Suzuki, Hyundai, Mitsubishi…aber das hab ich noch nie erlebt und mir so auch nicht vorstellen können. Der Grenadier ist zur Zeit ein teures Fahrzeug für Fans und Bastler. Für den Alltag oder das Geschäft meiner Meinung nach völlig ungeeignet. Schade.
Hallo Smarty24, welche Fertigungsnummer hat Dein Greni.
 

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It is not accepted, at best it is acknowledged with an eye roll.

Why don‘t you just use Google Translator instead of bothering other forum members in an English-speaking forum?
For you with translator...a bit narrow-minded in a forum about a car that is produced in France, with a German engine and transmission as well as axles from Italy, to make a breakdown when someone writes in German.
 

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Simple - this forum has rules to allow common understanding. You agreed to obey once you joined.
In my signature is in production / transit and I do not carry the blue badge "grenadier owner" - obvious - isn't it?
I am participating in this forum since quite a while and I am very well aware that there are issues.
There are lot of members here that can tell - and also how they deal with it.
Indeed I am expecting issues. When I signed the contract early 8 weeks ago I knew what I did because I was informed about issues reported by users in this forum.
What makes me wonder about you - complaining about height and steering or other obvious - specced information.
Sorry, but you're purely a theoretician and don't seem to have any experience with off-road vehicles. I've been driving off-road vehicles (not SUVs) for 25 years, I've had hardcore tours in Romania, Croatia, Spain, the Western Alps, etc. I'm not a professional but an experienced amateur and I don't think a discussion with you will get me anywhere. Maybe if you wanted to drive a few thousand kilometers with your soon-to-arrive Grenadier... but maybe, just maybe yours will work too 😉
 

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ja, kann ich voll verstehen. Ich fahre auch 'ne Guzzi (Ambassador V7 Bj 69) und 'ne Alpine A 110.
Aber verabschiede Dich von dem Grenny als Alltagsauto, meine Erfahrung nach ein paar tausend Kilometer.
pooh …eine alpine a110 ein traum und ne v7 von 69…hammer.
 

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ja, kann ich voll verstehen. Ich fahre auch 'ne Guzzi (Ambassador V7 Bj 69) und 'ne Alpine A 110.
Aber verabschiede Dich von dem Grenny als Alltagsauto, meine Erfahrung nach ein paar tausend Kilometer.
Anyone who drives a Motor Guzzi has to be somewhat capable of suffering. :ROFLMAO:
…says a Ducati rider 🤣
 

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Season 5 Idk GIF by The Office
 

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If this is true (I don't say I don't believe you), It should not have been moved :unsure:
As I'm the moderator of the DACH forum: I didn't move anything. Instead I use to remind the posters to post in the core forum if they have a general topic. But I do not move postings.

Perhaps the thread opener himself did so.
 

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Sorry, but you're purely a theoretician and don't seem to have any experience with off-road vehicles. I've been driving off-road vehicles (not SUVs) for 25 years, I've had hardcore tours in Romania, Croatia, Spain, the Western Alps, etc. I'm not a professional but an experienced amateur and I don't think a discussion with you will get me anywhere. Maybe if you wanted to drive a few thousand kilometers with your soon-to-arrive Grenadier... but maybe, just maybe yours will work too 😉
Once again.. I grew up in a repair shop.. My dad was a Mitsubishi agent and Dealership and there were a lot of Pajero..
Of course I am not an overlander.. The purpose of our customers were almost all farmer and hunter. Very few fun owner. Perhaps faced other challenges than you. We had few recovery challenges..
No matter, still consider me a theorist..
I will see how my Grenadier will be.
But dont consider me and others as theorist..
but perhaps being a theorist is not too bad. Ar least I am able to read the specifications..
 
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